Can you help fill some holes in the database?

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I know there are Bukowski contributions in this list of magazines, but I don't know what the actual contents are. I suspect some of these appearances may be essays by, or pieces about, Bukowski, but mainly I'm interested in the poems.

If you know poem contents (or any contents) for any of these, it would be great to be able to add them to the database.

Alternative Fiction & Poetry 5/6 - 1988
Arcade - Vol. 1, No. 3 - 1975
Asylum - Vol. 7, No. 3/4 - 1992
Bachy - No. 18 - 1981
BFR 4 - 1983
Black Ace - No. 2 - 1992
Blue Window - Vol. 1, No. 2 - 1987
Boulevard - 15-16 - 1991
Boulevard - Vol. 5, No. 3 & Vol 6, No. 1 - 1991
Boulevard - Vol. 8 , No. 1 - 1993
Cleveland Review - Vol. 1, No. 2 - 1992
Clutch - No. 4 - 1994
D.C. Magazines - 1981
Frank - No. 8/9 - 1987
Gas - No. 3 - 1991
Knight - Vol. 8, No. 11 -1971?
Koff - No. 3 - 1979
LA Weekly - Vol. 2, No. 1, Dec. 7-13, 1979
Last Times - No. 1 - 1967
Literary Times - Vol. 4, No. 2 - 1967
Lizard's Eyelid - Winter 1991?
Long Shot - Vol. 15 - 1993
Long Shot - Vol. 9 - 1990
National Underground Review - Vol. 1, No. 2 - 1968
National Underground Review - Vol. 1, No.1 - 1968
New Censorship - Vol. 4, No. 3 - 1993
Nitty Gritty - Vol. 2, No. 2 - 1977
Northwest Extra - Vol. 1, No. 4 - 1990
Ohio Review - No. 30 - 1973
Pearl - No. 1? - 1975
Pinchpenny - Vol. 9, No. 1 - 1988
Poetry/LA - No. 10 - 1985
Poetry/LA - No. 11 - 1985-86
Poetry/LA - No. 13 - 1986-87
Poetry/LA - No. 14 - 1987
Poetry/LA - No. 15 - 1987-88
Poetry/LA - No. 18 - 1989
Poetry/LA - No. 2 - 1981
Poetry/LA - No. 6 - 1983
Poetry/LA - No. 8 - 1984
PSA Magazine - Vol. 18, No. 12 - 1983
Saturday - Vol. 3, No. 6 - 1974?
Shore Review - No. 12/13 - 1974
Shore Review - No. 14 - 1975
Smudge - No. 8, 1981
Snake Eyes - No. 1 - 1990
The City - Vol. 2, No. 7 - 1991
The Howling Mantra - No. 3 - 1990
The Little Magazine - Vol. 9, No. 2 - 1975
The Periodical of Art in Nebraska - Summer - 1977
 
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Pogue Mahone

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You don't have to be Al Fogel or a collector to help. I think folks can find some answers on ABE and other places if you want to contribute. Also, the university collections sometimes list the poems. It just takes a little time and obsession.
 
Arete, vol. 2, no. 1, July/August 1989
promenade
I am visited by an editor and a poet
the night they took Whitey
hell hath no fury...
the history of a tough motherfucker
Love for $17.50
Factotum
[excerpt]

Arete, vol. 2, no. 3, November/December 1989
ruin

Arete, vol. 2, no. 5, March/April 1990
The Other [Portions…]

Baloney Street, no. 3/4, Spring-Summer 1972
the girl outside the supermarket

Barney, no. 2, Winter 1982
Dummy
Hello, Barbara

Beyond Baroque 792, vol. 10, no. 2, Early Summer, 1979
Mirror
Time Off

Big Scream 30, 1991
he went for the windmills, yes

Blue Window, Fall/Winter 1986
poem for my 66th

Bombay Gin, vol. 1, no. 4, Summer 1989
Spain Sits Like a Hidden Flower in My Coffeepot

Boulevard, no. 22, vol. 8, no. 1, Spring 1993
a conversation not to remember

The Bridge, vol. 1, no. 1, Fall 1990
neon

Cedar Rock, vol. 6, no. 2, Spring 1981
ladies talking on the telephone
for the little one
ah
blue collar solitude
Mannheim, Germany, May 1978
he used to be

Cedar Rock, vol. 6, no. 3, Summer 1981
the best men type strongest alone

Choice, no. 9, 1974
we, the artists
yes, yes
tarot cards...
well, now that Ezra has died

Clutch, no. 2, 1992
up through the night
the new homeless
a screening
the sensitive, young poet
hardly Nirvana

Colorado North Review, 33, 1&2, 1992
learning the ropes
hanging there
 

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Thanks capt.co!

the university collections sometimes list the poems.
Yeah, I've picked up quite a few things for the database from collection lists.

Krumhansl's books were good but I've corrected more than a few errors in the database that were held over from those books. Fogel's book isn't of much use for the database since it doesn't list contents. I never quite understood the purpose of Fogel's book, but what do I know. Printed price guides kind of lost their relevance when the Internet came along.

Some of the things above come from a list that he made a while back. He talks about 2,000 magazine appearances, but he's never listed more than 900+. Maybe he's counting three poems in one mag as three appearances or something, I don't know. But I'm fairly certain there are not 1,000 unknown appearances out there.
 
Death Was Our Escort, 1974
there is something very ugly about circuses and picnics too --

Deviation, no. 6, 1987
The Summer Pool Will Be Here
Upon Our Location

Dirty Bum: a Magazine, no. 2, Winter 1987-1988
have a nice day
a suborder of hydroid polyps with naked buds—
a strange day

Ear in a Wheatfield, series 2 no. 3, November 1973
1/5

Flash of Pasadena, no. 4, May 12, 1967
A rambling essay on poetics and the bleeding life written while drinking a six pack (tall)

Flipside. vol. 1, no. 1, Spring 1987
now that I'm told...

Flipside, Fall 1987
horseshoe hangover
off and on

Ghost Dance, no. 4
Something About a Woman

Go Magazine, no. 7, January 9, 1989
a famished orphan sits somewhere in our minds
hail and farewell, forevermore
2 a.m.
how the wild west was lost

Gravida, vol. 2, no. 1, issue 5, Winter 1975
a note on rejection slips

Grendhal Poetry Review, vol. 1, issue 3, May/June/July 1986
notes upon the sliding dream

Heaven Bone, no. 9, Winter 1991/Spring 1992
betting on the muse

Hype, issue 14 vol. 2, August 1992
hot night

Hype, issue 16 vol. 2, October 16, 1992
stone tiger, frozen sea

Impulse Press, no. 11, March 1981
Manx

The Kindred Spirit, vol. VI no. 3, issue 13, Autumn 1987
snapshots

Knight, vol. 8, no. 7, November 1970
Registered letter
[this is twice on your list, with different years]
 

Digney in Burnaby

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East Village Other - Vol. 6, No. 11 - 1971
The story is "swastika" which appeared in Erections, etc. I believe there was some sort of syndication of his columns/stories for the underground press at that time.

and, Berkeley Tribe Vol. 1, No. 11, 1969

"the night nobody believed I was Allen Ginsburg"

Two not listed anywhere are:

Bogg, no. 68, 1997
the women
appeared in Betting (1996)

Bogg, no. 70, 2000
the snails
appeared in Betting (1996)

Both magazine appearances are pretty much identical to the book appearances. Posthumous book, posthumous appearances. Who sent them and when?
 
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Thanks, added the Bogg appearances.
Posthumous book, posthumous appearances. Who sent them and when?
They probably asked Martin for something. That's how the mangled version of roll the dice wound up being published in a magazine. Martin sent a galley proof (a printed page) rather than a manuscript. He sent some of those galleys to me way back when, to publish on the site.

capt.co, you either have a very good periodicals collection or you're very good at finding things online. ;) I suspect the former.
 
Little Word Machine, no. 8/9, 1978
tough company

Lullabye Jesus, Fall 1992
macho time
more than ow

Magazine, no. 5, 1972
heat

Marilyn, vol. 1, Autumn 1975
will the real thing please stand up and wave a wooden arm?

Mediterranean Review, vol. 1, no. 3, Spring 1971
the wine and the cantos
poem for an x-bank clerk

National Lampoon, November 1985
putrefaction

National Screw, vol. 1, no. 1, November 1976
Six Inches

New Lazarus Review, vol. 2, no. 1, 1979
the weather's been fair
racetrack

Nitty-Gritty, vol. 2, no. 1, 1977
like a flower in the rain (for P.B.)

Northwest EXTRA!, vol. 1, no. 15, November 1990
happy birthday
[maybe one of us have the issue # wrong, or it’s another issue you’re looking for.]

Northwest Review, vol. XVII, no. 1, 1978
59 cents a pound

Poetry Now, vol. 2, no. 1, issue 7, 1975
The Red Porsche

Poetry Now, vol. 2, no. 2, issue 8, 1975
The Proud Thin Dying

Poetry Now, vol. 2, no. 4, issue 10, 1975
The Voice of the Bukowski

Poetry Now, vol. 5, no. 4, issue 28, 1980
the fucking horses
burning bright

Poetry Now, vol. 6, no. 6, issue 36, 1982
brown
the eternal players

Poetry Now, vol. 7, no. 2, issue 38, 1983
too late
gothic and etc.

Purr, no. 5, 1976
love song (for L.K.)

Reader, vol. 2, no. 8, December 7, 1979
the days run away like wild horses over the hills

Rocks Off, no. II, 1988(?)
O, We are the Outcasts
 

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Well, your contribution is appreciated, however you come about it.
 

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These new entries take us over 1,000 magazines in the database:

• 4895 works (4376 unique works, 519 alternate titles or versions)
• 4798 works in 120 books
• 2337 works in 1014 magazines
• 54 broadsides
• 1427 manuscripts
• 42 releases of 21 different recording sessions or readings
• 564 forum links to scans of first magazine appearances or original texts​

Those stats are here.
 

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Almost.

Actually, lately I've been thinking it's almost like an unhealthy obsession. Or not, "almost like."
 

Pogue Mahone

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Great detective work.

More work always follows...

Was the title changed? Was it the first appearance? Were there changes?

Man, it takes a village. Buk would probably make fun of us.

But I suspect he would appreciate it too.

Were it not for that world wide net thing, the qustions would never be answered with any accuracy.
 
Scree, no. 19-20-21, 1981
on photographs

Second coming, vol. 4, no. 1/2, 1976
if we take—

Second coming, vol. 7, no. 1, 1979
crisscross under sideways
the Indian

Seven Stars, no. 22, 1976
Classical crabs [Factotum excerpt]
No smoking [Factotum excerpt]

Slipstream, vol. 6, 1986
hot night
oh, to be young!

Slipstream, vol. 7, 1987
he's probably ripping and tearing in hell right now...
a magician, gone...
an ordinary poem of mispent feelings
first day, first job
a sensible fellow

South Bay, vol. IV, no. 8, November 1981
old man, dead in a room
the twins

The Sparrow, no. 14, November 1960
The Loser

The Spirit That Moves Us, vol. 6, no. 1, 1981
another horse poem for all my dear friends...
notes upon a hot streak

Stonecloud, no. 3/4, 1974
a cop-out to a possible immortality

Sycamore Review, vol. 2, no. 1, Winter 1990
Getting Old

Sycamore Review, vol. 3, no. 1, 1991
The Glory Days
Luck Was Not a Lady for Me

Sycamore Review, vol. 3, no. 2, 1991
one more day

Underground Digest, vol. 1, no. 2, March 1967
Notes of a Dirty Old Man

Unpublished poems, vol. 1, 1977
the angels of Sunday

Urbanus, no. 4, Summer/Fall 1993
me against the world

Winners, vol. 2, no. 3, July 1981
hell yes, I'll go...
trouble in the night...
laying up
the liberated women and the liberated air...
this habit

World Letter, no. 2, 1991
the player
this rejoinder
 

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I'm going to do a page that shows a list of all of the alternate titles so they can be compared easily.
That sounded easy enough!

But it turns out there's no way to use a database query to make that page (and have it come out correct), so it had to be done manually. And there are more than 500 changed titles, so...it took a minute.

I expected to see the shortening of a lot of the titles, since that's what motivated me to make this list in the first place. Though shortening a title wasn't usually destructive. It didn't usually do anything but make the title less interesting. Amputate it. Of course, almost always unnecessarily. Shortening them wasn't destructive, per se, but I happen to like the long titles, they're wild and often funny. You know, like poetry.

Maybe not surprisingly, a disturbing number of the other changes are also changes in meaning. "The End Of A Short Love Affair" becomes, "The Beginning Of A Brief Love Affair." What? You can also see that Martin had an odd habit of adding a year to a title, for seemingly no reason, while removing the year if Bukowski used it. If you really read through all of these you can pick up on a few Martin habits. If Bukowski typed a specific color, Martin felt compelled to change that color (there aren't a lot of those here, but you see it everywhere in the poems). You'd have to ask a psychologist what that's about, because I have no fucking idea.

As you might expect, very few of these changes make a god damned bit of sense. It's just another sad piece of the bigger sad puzzle, here on display for you to look at and scratch your head and silently ask WTF?

For what it's worth, I only found 2 or 3 changes that were made by Bukowski.

https://bukowski.net/database/titles.php
 
Maybe not surprisingly, a disturbing number of the other changes are also changes in meaning. "The End Of A Short Love Affair" becomes, "The Beginning Of A Brief Love Affair." What? You can also see that Martin had an odd habit of adding a year to a title, for seemingly no reason, while removing the year if Bukowski used it. If you really read through all of these you can pick up on a few Martin habits. If Bukowski typed a specific color, Martin felt compelled to change that color (there aren't a lot of those here, but you see it everywhere in the poems). You'd have to ask a psychologist what that's about, because I have no fucking idea.
JM seemed to be obsessed by the idea of leaving his fingerprints on every single poem Bukowski wrote. What kind of thoughts are going through his mind when he opens a book he edited? "Ha, it's me who wrote this title/these lines! And people love it!" Something like that I guess.
 
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If Bukowski typed a specific color, Martin felt compelled to change that color (there aren't a lot of those here, but you see it everywhere in the poems). You'd have to ask a psychologist what that's about, because I have no fucking idea.
Living on Luck, page 260, a letter to Gerald Locklin, March 15, 1979 / On Women.

" ...There's even one place where a woman had on a green dress and he put her into a blue dress. At least he didn't change her sexual organs..."
 

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Here's a new one (added today) that will make Volkswagen lovers cringe:

66 Volks Mini-Bus
1966 Volkswagen Minivan

And the new champion for longest title is: Purse $8,000. For Three-Year Olds And Upward. Three-Year Olds, 118 Pounds; Older, 120 Lbs.. Non-Winners At One Mile Or Over Since October 6 Allowed 3 Lbs; Since July 25, 6 Lbs. Claiming Price $6,250. (Races When Entered For $4,000 Or Less Not Considered.)

(I had to increase the size of the 'title' field in the works database to add that one...)
 

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Why can't I access the 66 Volk Bus Poem?
What do you mean?

There isn't anything to access, as far as manuscripts or anything. It's only a title. The titles that don't have manuscripts, magazine or book or other appearances connected to them usually come from lists of the contents of big institutional collections.

I don't know where this latest batch came from, because I've had them in a text file for a long time and am just getting around to checking some of them. But I suspect it's from Santa Barbara or the Huntington or some other big collection like that. Just a list of the titles of the manuscripts and the dates.
 
My mistake. I thought we could link to the item from the title. I must be confusing that step from another thread where one or two specific items were linked. Good thing I stopped the drugs when I did. Brain cells matter…who knew??
 

Digney in Burnaby

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Prism International, Volume 24 number 2, Winter 1986

two poems:
sticks and stones
(pretty much the same as in You Get So Alone... with a couple word changes "lady writers" for "whores", "poems" for "memoirs")
the luck of the blessed
(same as manuscript)
 
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