Charles Bukowski & Georgia Hubbard

I am trying to find the picture of Charles Bukowski & Georgia Hubbard standing in front of the fridge in Buk's apartment. Anyone have any suggestions where I might find it?
 

mjp

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The photographer is Joan Gannij (at least according to her). I sent you a PM with her email address.
 
Thank you very much. I just sent her an e-mail.



I just received a response from this person. she says she can't help me. Any other suggestions?
 

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As I understand it, the actual "authorship," so to speak, of that photo is in question, which may be why she doesn't want to sell you a print.

The other photographer who shot photos that day is Ulvis Alberts, though I don't have contact information for him. It may turn out that no one can sell you (or anyone) a print of that photo.

Was Georgia a friend of yours?
 

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mad kitty said:
I just received a response from this person. she says she can't help me. Any other suggestions?
I have a really nice poster of this image which was released as a Canadian Promo for "Women." It credits Ulvis Alperts and Joan Levine for the photo. I plan on listing this on ebay sometime soon... possibly as soon as this weekend. I'd offer to sell it outright but I really have no idea what it's value is so I'll let the market decide the price.

I'll post here when I list it.
 

bospress.net

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Ulvis Alberts does not have the negatives anymore. Your best bet here would be to find a high quality photo and try to scan it.

Bill
 
Chronic,

Wow....that would be great! I have no idea what it is worth either. Unfortunately for me, probably a lot as it appears to be hard to find. Let me know when you are going to post it on e-bay. Do you ship to Canada?

Thanks.

MJP,

Makes sense. The person I was speaking to at the e-mail address you gave me was very vague and almost short with me. It was weird.

No, Georgia was not a friend of mine.....but I sure like her style. (LOL)
 

Olaf

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Who exactl was Hubbard?

She looks a right character....o and exceptionally Ugly on the surface...
 

Bukfan

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In Sounes'Buk bio she's called Georgia Peckham-Krellner if I remember correctly - not Hubbard...
 
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nymark

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Does anyone have THE CRUELTY OF LOVELESS LOVE by Kunst Editions? The photos are beautiful reproduced and laid into a huge clamshell box along with some letterpressed poetry. I don't buy that the negatives are gone because CRUELTY was published four or five years ago.
 
The photographer is Joan Gannij (at least according to her). I sent you a PM with her email address.
Your accusation is not fair and is very insulting. Then you go on to add some more controversy on "authorship". If you really knew the whole story of the photographer's, Joan Levine and Ulvis Alberts, then you wouldn't be throwing little half truth's out.

For legal reasons, people have been advised not to talk about certain things. Sorry, deal with it. As far as your insulting accusation of Joan Levine Gannij not being the photographer, you're wrong. She has always given Ulvis Alberts credit and royalties from their partnership with that picture.
 

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Your accusation is not fair and is very insulting. Then you go on to add some more controversy on "authorship". If you really knew the whole story of the photographer's, Joan Levine and Ulvis Alberts, then you wouldn't be throwing little half truth's out.
I said there is some question as to the authorship of the photo, that is not an accusation or a half truth.

For legal reasons, people have been advised not to talk about certain things.
Yes, I'm sure there is a very important, Supreme Court-type gag order in place. I wouldn't expect anyone to let any details slip regarding a matter of such importance. If you talk about it, the terrorists win.

So who are you, the husband, the boyfriend or the son?

You're very protective and very testosterone-y, so my guess is you're one of those three.
 

bright

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"If you talk about it, the terrorists win."

Right there, baby, right there.
Served him right. :), strike1, mjp.
 

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Your accusation is not fair and is very insulting. Then you go on to add some more controversy on "authorship". If you really knew the whole story of the photographer's, Joan Levine and Ulvis Alberts, then you wouldn't be throwing little half truth's out.

For legal reasons, people have been advised not to talk about certain things. Sorry, deal with it. As far as your insulting accusation of Joan Levine Gannij not being the photographer, you're wrong. She has always given Ulvis Alberts credit and royalties from their partnership with that picture.
Hi,

You forgot to introduce yourself. No worries, there is always a second chance.

Welcome!
 

mjp

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I think he is a he, based on some inside, forum admin-type information.
 

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ah, yes, it was one hell of an introduction.
That person really knows about good manners.
 

hank solo

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The photographer is Joan Gannij ... I sent you a PM with her email address.
mad kitty said:
I just received a response... she says she can't help me. Any other suggestions?
The other photographer who shot photos that day is Ulvis Alberts... It may turn out that no one can sell you (or anyone) a print of that photo.
Ulvis Alberts does not have the negatives anymore. Your best bet here would be to find a high quality photo and try to scan it.
Great, now I am trying to buy this pic as well. Can I get the e mail address for Joan also?

Posters of that image crop up on ebay sometimes. Mostly from Germany though.

PS. Icksnay on the Uckchay.
 

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Great, now I am trying to buy this pic as well. Can I get the e mail address for Joan also?
Chuck rules!
Thanks!!!!!!
Yes, Joan would not be the person to contact. You can find a poster if you are looking to buy one. They do show up.

On another note, anyone on the forum that wants to buy any copies of the beautiful postcard that was made from a painting by Black Swan (and was funded by donations from the folks on this forum) should contact the artist directly by sending a private message to "Black Swan". She will probably be willing to sell copies of this amazing postcard for a fair price. Order one or 50, but get them fast. They will not last long.

Bill
 

mjp

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If you really knew the whole story of the photographer's, Joan Levine and Ulvis Alberts, then you wouldn't be throwing little half truth's out. As far as your insulting accusation of Joan Levine Gannij not being the photographer, you're wrong.
And here is more from the good folks at Mother Road Publications (who published a poster in the mid-90's of Bukowski in front of the refrigerator solo, from the same photo session and correctly credited the photo to Ulvis Alberts exclusively):

"Beat Scene #22 features the infamous photo of Hank and Georgia. Inside is an article by Joan Levine Gannij, who claims to have been the photographer at that meeting, in which she explains how the photo came about. Ulvis Alberts, a renowned photographer in his own right, whom Gannij rather flippantly describes in the article as her 'lighting assistant' at that session, tells a different story. He claims that he and Gannji were collaborating on a book at the time about celebrities and their refrigerators; he was there as the photographer and Gannji was there as the writer."
 

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Who is "Bukowski Photos"? Is that Joan? I always find it telling when someone comes on the forum and complains about something and it is somethig that they have a very personal stake in, but fail to sign the post. We saw it a few times recently, always seeming to center around photographs, for some reason. The idea that they come in and either try to hide their true self or exaggerate their relationship to a photographer that we would have heard of by taking their name, when they are, in fact, the grandson is a bit dishonest. Why not just come out and say "This is Mr/Mrs xxxxx and you are wrong about this"?

Bill
 

mjp

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Well, without giving it away, let's just say the email address contains "Geoff" (and likely also a last name). That's why I doubted it was Gannij herself, but rather someone close to her. Obviously it is someone with a vested interest.

The only other posts I could find by him were in a Mercedes forum.
 
Who is "Bukowski Photos"? Is that Joan? I always find it telling when someone comes on the forum and complains about something and it is somethig that they have a very personal stake in, but fail to sign the post. We saw it a few times recently, always seeming to center around photographs, for some reason. The idea that they come in and either try to hide their true self or exaggerate their relationship to a photographer that we would have heard of by taking their name, when they are, in fact, the grandson is a bit dishonest. Why not just come out and say "This is Mr/Mrs xxxxx and you are wrong about this"?
Bill, you seem like an ok guy and your request for my identity is easy enough. With no disrespect to most of the posters here, I feel dirty just being apart of this thread. mjp has diarrhea of the mouth and is ever so eager to share his misinformation with anyone who doesn't notice his court jester hat and identify him as the criminal clown he is. I say criminal because instead of asking me who I am in an honorable way like Bill, he illegally violates my privacy by going into private forum information. Very felonious and indicative of a lack of integrity, morals, and honor. What's up with the moderators around here. Not very smart.

My name is Geoff Levine and Joan is my mother. I try and stay out of the bull shit rumors and misinformation because it's really none of my business. But I felt I had to defend my mother from the felonious clowns lies and disrespect. The real question should be, "Who is this clown, mjp, and what is his relationship to Ulvis?".

Bill, I hope that I have been honorable and polite enough to identify myself when asked. Sorry for getting distracted by the class clown, but he seems to be better at pushing buttons than being funny.
 
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