New CD of Buk Reading from Litmus/The Temple

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  1. HenryChinaski

    HenryChinaski First 9 Redwood Original

    darn it. i want mine now!

    somebody do me a favor and post the list of poems in this reading.

    you could do that, right?
     
  2. Rekrab

    Rekrab Half right most the time, except when I'm wrong. Redwood Original Unholy Ones

    HenryChinaski: The CD title is Charles Bukowski Underwater Poetry Festival The tracks are:

    Opening Comments with Charles Potts
    Let's Be Original
    Teeth
    Beach
    The Mad Poet
    Face of a Political Candidate
    Private First Class
    Free
    The Sex Fiends
    Christ
    Two Horse Collars
    $5.95
    Dog Fight
    Big Gray Balloon Things Heavy
    Piss and Shit
    Now She Hates Me
    The Spider
    Memory
    The Closing of the Topless and Bottomless Bars
    Well Now That Ezra Has Died
    Rexall Cut Rate 4:30 PM
    Vacation in Greece
    My Father's Big Time Fling
    Solid State Marty
    Nothing is as Effective as Defeat
    The Word
    No Cagney Me
    Love
    Closing Comments.

    I don't think there's any copyright issues with just listing the contents, if that's what you meant. There's a small reproduction of the poster for the reading in the insert. Admission was $1.50 per reading. Charles Potts read also.
     
  3. HenryChinaski

    HenryChinaski First 9 Redwood Original

    thanks for that david, thats what i was lookin for. man thats a pretty big list.

    gosh i can't wait to hear this!
     
  4. Bukfan

    Bukfan "The law is wrong; I am right" Men of Mayhem Unholy Ones

    Good to see that the poems have'nt been issued on cd before except for "The sex fiends" and "Piss and shit" (as far as I can tell).
    I can hardly wait for the arrival of my cd. Santa (and Charles Potts) has been good to us this christmas...:)
     
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  5. Rekrab

    Rekrab Half right most the time, except when I'm wrong. Redwood Original Unholy Ones

    That's what I thought: lots of poems. I hope to listen to it later tonight.
     
  6. HenryChinaski

    HenryChinaski First 9 Redwood Original

    yeah, I hope I get mine before christmas
     
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  7. mjp

    mjp Does this avatar make me look fat? Reaper Crew First 9 Men of Mayhem Unholy Ones

    Mine came pretty quickly, haven't had a chance to listen yet though.
     
  8. Rekrab

    Rekrab Half right most the time, except when I'm wrong. Redwood Original Unholy Ones

    Okay, I listened to the first 20 tracks, and I love this reading. Nice appreciative articulate intro by Potts (recorded at the reading, not added later), Buk comes on, he says he's had the flu and he sounds a bit like he's got a cold -- not too much -- and he does some harummphing between poems that may be a sign of the flu or may be nerves, and he's in a good mood, he's funny. You can hear the sloshing of the wine in the bottle as he takes hits. I gather he's not drunk, or not very much so, at the start. Has control, is reading carefully. He stops whenever he makes a small pronunciation error and corrects himself (often making more of a distraction with his correction than the error itself), talks freely between poems. Not at length, but enough so that it's more than just a straight out reading of the poems. The crowd is very friendly, they're laughing at all the righ places. The poems are great. Once or twice he feels that a poem falls flat and he says so -- he's self-monitoring to a remarkable degree, checking himself, telling himself to keep it tight. Unlike other readings I've heard, there aren't any hecklers egging him on to getting surly, so it's all very light and pleasant. A really likeable reading. Then again, I haven't heard the ending yet. Maybe it breaks down and there's a fist fight -- I wouldn't rule that out. I'll listen to the rest of it later today. So far, I'm very happy with my purchase (here I am shilling again.)
     
  9. Bukfan

    Bukfan "The law is wrong; I am right" Men of Mayhem Unholy Ones

    So do I! Especially after reading David's review! Let's hope the pressure on the postal traffic around christmas does'nt get in the way.

    Dear Santa, please speed up your reindeers! Give them some extra carrots or whatever will do the trick...:)
     
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  10. HenryChinaski

    HenryChinaski First 9 Redwood Original

    YES PLEASE. give them carrots or apples or whatever the hell it is they need for fuel. WE NEED THESE BUKOWSKI READINGS FOR CHRISTMAS MORNING.
     
  11. ROC

    ROC It is what it is Redwood Original Unholy Ones

    Got mine today (in Oz!) and listened to it as soon as the girly left the house.
    It starts out very well - he's in control and the recording is close, intimate - you can hear all the little details.
    He reads some great stuff but the highlights have to be 'Two Horse Collars' & 'Memory'.
    The crowd don't seem to 'get it' (to me) and Buk is definitely nervous as hell - you can hear it in his voice.
    Still.. great stuff
    Glad to have it and all thanks to Mr Potts.
     
  12. bospress.net

    bospress.net www.bospress.net Men of Mayhem Unholy Ones

    Remember that this was recorded in Utah. No offense to Utah (and I have a good friend there), but they are a but "different". 90% mormon and, I suspect that anyone that is into Bukowski would generally keep their entheuasism (sp?) in control. They are not allowed free expression like most other states. The state (especially outside of Salt Lake City), is very much run by the Mormon Church. This creates a strange mentality. When you have a 90% ANYTHING MAJORITY, THE OTHER 10% LEARNS TO hide. THEY DO NOT VOICE THEIR OPINIONS AT WORK BECAUSE IT IS CAUSE FOR RIDICULE, NON-INCLUSION AND GETTING SWEPT OUT HE DOOR BY YOUR MORMON BOSS. (OK. i HIT THE CAPS LOCK KEY BY MISTAKE. This is better).

    My friend is a scientist in Utah. Many of the people that he works with are devout Mormons. They are SCIENTISTS why believe that the earth is $5000 years old (because the Bible says so), that Jonah hung out in the belly of a whale (because the bible says so), etc.... These are SCIENTISTS that think this way....

    My point here, is not a rant against Mormons, but a note that the subdued audience in Utah is a bit like you would get here, in Southern Delaware. In this NASCAR state, those that are not NASCAR fans learn to HIDE....

    Bill
     
  13. Rekrab

    Rekrab Half right most the time, except when I'm wrong. Redwood Original Unholy Ones

    Bill: I enjoyed your vicious anti-Mormon rant. Just kidding. I understand what you're saying. You better hope you're never traveling through Utah and your car breaks down and you walk into the nearest town and ask for help and they check with the Dept. of Homeland Security or whatever agency it is that's been spying on us, and they pull up your post about Utah, and you're screwed...

    But my real reason for being here is to say that I listened to the rest of the CD, starting at track 20, and it's ironic that I chose that point to stop at before, because it's right there that the tide turns, the alcohol starts to take effect, and Bukowski starts to lose it. Now, when he makes some small error, muffs a word or can't find the next page of a poem, he gets pissed off at himself, disgusted (with himself as a reader? as a poet? with poetry? at even language itself?) and says "f***" this, let's go on to the next poem. And this happens with most or all of the remaining poems. He reads the first few lines, stumbles or gets bored, and throws it away. Amazingly, he doesn't lose the crowd doing this. They seem to understand that a drunk Bukowski is a different element than a sober Bukowski, and they're okay with it. At one point he says something like "Well, you came to see Bukowski lose it, so you got your money's worth" and it's a comic line, not a stunner. This later part of the reading, so different in tone, is still very interesting and likeable, maybe because it's easy to identify with his self-disgust and his decision to abandon each poem rather than struggle against it. He starts off each one quite seriously, but the tongue can't quite pull it off, and the brain is lagging, and the soul has a shadow over it. Fascinating shit. A good, friendly crowd there; they do not turn on him, and he still isn't heckled and doesn't take out his frustration on them -- it's all inner directed. Maybe if it had gone on another 20 minutes, he would have been hurling insults and obscenities at them -- we'll never know. The after party must have been a hell of a ride. Has anyone seen any reports on it? Now that I know the full arc this reading takes, I want to listen again, to see if I can detect the negativity of the ending looming ahead in the beginning. Two Bukowski's are at war here: the careful, fiercely intelligent man of letters who strives above all for clarity and honesty and purity in art, and the angry, self-defeating drunk who rages aganist his inner demons. Great CD. Thank you Mr. Potts for publishing it.
     
  14. HenryChinaski

    HenryChinaski First 9 Redwood Original

    amazing review david. now i want to hear this thing a million times more.
     
  15. ROC

    ROC It is what it is Redwood Original Unholy Ones

    yup.
    that's it David.
    You nailed it.
     
  16. Rekrab

    Rekrab Half right most the time, except when I'm wrong. Redwood Original Unholy Ones

    Thanks for the props. It's nice to think I got something right in this life. I woke up thinking about Bill's explanation of why the audience might have curbed their enthusiam, being in Utah, Mormon territory, and then wondering (and this is a real stetch) if there might possibly be some connection between the Mormon church and Bukowski's "presence" in Utah. Two things came to mind. Well, three, actually. One is that his small book of poetry, POEMS WRITTEN BEFORE JUMPING OUT OF AN 8 STORY BUILDING was published by Litmus Press in Salt Lake City (this is from memory, I may have it wrong). Secondly, this new CD comes out, and it's Buk reading in Utah and published by Litmus Press -- have they been around all along, or is this a reimergence of the press? Thirdly, I used to get catalogs from a rare book dealer in Utah, Cosmic Aeroplane if I'm not delusional, and they sold a weird (to my mind, anyway) mixture of underground literature (Buk, Beats) and antiquarian Mormon books (1840 editions of the Book of Mormon). I still have those catalogs somewhere. All this swirling around in my brain as I lay half awake this morning. Was Buk and undergcover front man for the LDS church, kind of like Tom Cruise and John Travola are for Scientology? Or am I nuts? Probably nothing there, but it might be worth looking into. Or not. Nevermind -- this is as half-baked and crazy as when I start talking about aliens. You don't want to hear that. All of this is mostly tongue in cheek.
     
  17. Rekrab

    Rekrab Half right most the time, except when I'm wrong. Redwood Original Unholy Ones

    Okay. Fully awake now. I just did a Google search on Litmus Press and learned that Charles Potts is the founder of Litmus Press. That explains why Litmus published Bukowski's Poems Written Before Jumping Out of an 8-Story Window (not "8 Story Building" as in my last post) and now has published the Buk CD. There goes that conspiracy theory. I really shouldn't post before I've had two cups of coffee. I wake up half nuts and slowly get saner as the day wears on. It's a dream state thing. But there still might be something to the Mormon-Bukowski connection. I'll have to do some digging on Cosmic Aeroplane books...
     
  18. Rekrab

    Rekrab Half right most the time, except when I'm wrong. Redwood Original Unholy Ones

    ps: I'm joking on all this, of course. No offense to Mormons, Litmus Press, Cosmic Aeroplane Books, Bukowski fans, or anyone else intended. I have a bizarre sense of humor. I'll shut up now.
     
  19. Bukfan

    Bukfan "The law is wrong; I am right" Men of Mayhem Unholy Ones

    A bizarre sense of humor is often needed in life and sometimes the truth is stranger than fiction...:)
     
  20. HenryChinaski

    HenryChinaski First 9 Redwood Original

    wow, what a rant. having a good sense of humor is essential.
     
  21. Rekrab

    Rekrab Half right most the time, except when I'm wrong. Redwood Original Unholy Ones

    Bukfan & HenryChinaski: thanks for the vote of confidence. There are times I really should keep quiet and morning is one of them. Truth is indeed stranger than fiction: it's the strangest thing around. Someday I'll rant about another, more plausible Bukowski conspiracy theory, but not now.

    Back to the topic of this new CD; it really is a remarkable Bukowski reading. You can feel the mood shift -- it's like a plane taking a sudden dive. He's flying along, high and clear, no turbullence, and then suddenly -- swoop -- barrel rolls, sputtering engine, propellers stopping and starting, the deep descent. I would love to read an account of what happened that night at the party. I bet it was outrageous.
     
  22. bospress.net

    bospress.net www.bospress.net Men of Mayhem Unholy Ones

    Hi David (Rekrab).
    I'm not sure which post it was where you mentioned the book "A poet and a murdered", about the Hofman forgery murders, but I bought the book and read it cover to cover, with only a 6 hour break to sleep. Great book. Now HE hated the Mormons. That was the basis of his forgeries; to fuck with the Mormon church. He was so good that his forgeries got him to the highest levels of the Mormon church while forging documents by Joseph Smith & Brigham Young. These were forgeries that pained them in a VERY bad olight and the church bough them just to keep them from ever being discovered. Then he would leak that "someone" sold a document to the church and that they were covering it up. Really a genius. Well worth the read. You can pick this book up on abe or ebay for a few dollars. Well worth it...

    This will also peak your interest on the strangeness of the founders of the Mormon Religion. If interested, read up on it....

    Bill
     
  23. Rekrab

    Rekrab Half right most the time, except when I'm wrong. Redwood Original Unholy Ones

    Hi Bill,

    Glad you enjoyed THE POET AND THE MURDERER. I must confess to having a fascination with the Mormon faith (and other cultish religious movements), as well as being an Emily Dickinson freak (I know, "What? A Bukowski fan AND a lover of Emily Dickinson???), plus an interest in manuscripts, forgeries, hoaxes, etc., so this book pushed all of my buttons. You're right: Hofman seems to have been motivated mostly by a deep hatred of the Mormon church. He created fake documents that cast doubt on the origins of the church, which is kind of ironic, because there are some troubling questions generated by the church's "real" documents. But faith is faith, and who are we to question anyone's beliefs? Like you say, it's a great read.
     
  24. HenryChinaski

    HenryChinaski First 9 Redwood Original

    Got my copy of the underwater poetry festival today.
    It really is an amazing reading, probably my favorite actually.
    my god, Hank was really fucking hilarious. man, this cracks me up.
     
  25. Rekrab

    Rekrab Half right most the time, except when I'm wrong. Redwood Original Unholy Ones

    Yes, it is -- amazing and hillarious. There's one part where he's about to say something and stops himself, and says something else like "Ah, nevermind, I was about to say something stupid." Man, can I relate to that.
     
  26. HenryChinaski

    HenryChinaski First 9 Redwood Original

    the funniest part is when he's about to say something and he fucks up, sluring his first few words and then just intentionally gurgles like made up sounds. holy shit THAT FUCKING CRACKED ME UP.

    at one point during the reading buk says "my god, poetry is so sickening!" i think it's at the end of "Memory"

    what a great reading.

    "lets all be good drunks together. now, where were we? does anyone remember? JUST THROW THIS FUCKING THING OUT. here's a better one. ezra pound bores me."
     
  27. Rekrab

    Rekrab Half right most the time, except when I'm wrong. Redwood Original Unholy Ones

    It's fascinating how he transitions from being almost tight in his control to very loose, bordering on sloppy. I didn't feel he was totally into being controlled nor did he really get into being out of control. More that he wanted to bag the whole thing. Those are his most honest moments in the recording, when he says (in effect) hey, skip the poetry, let's go party! And if I had an hour to myself, I'd listen to it again.
     
  28. Bukfan

    Bukfan "The law is wrong; I am right" Men of Mayhem Unholy Ones

    ...and my copy has'nt arrived yet...:(
     
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  29. HenryChinaski

    HenryChinaski First 9 Redwood Original

    hey even asks the audience if they have any questions. at the end of the reading. so guy asks about a boxing match and buk says..."yeah, foreman's gonna win."

    "POTTS! WHERES THE PARTY!"

    "Buy my books and be saved."
    "my message is no message at all."
    "so, I'm sorry you wasted your ten bucks!"
     
  30. HenryChinaski

    HenryChinaski First 9 Redwood Original

    so Charles Potts orchestrated the whole thing?
    thank you for sharing this little jewel in Buk history.
     

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