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mjp

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This is the list of titles in the database that I'm unsure of because I don't have the magazines to compare to the books. Maybe some of you have some of the mags and we can work this out.

What I'm trying to determine is whether the titles listed here are the same poem. Or, you know, essentially the same poem.

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Carry On - Water Row Review - No. 6 - 1987
Carry On! - Sifting Through the Madness for the Word, the Line, the Way - pg. 48

Celebrating This - Septaugenarian Stew - pg. 356
Celebrating This Whoredom - Clock Radio - No. 8 - 1987

Days Like Razors - Long Shot - Vol. 7 - 1988
Days Like Razors, Nights Full Of Rats - The Last Night of the Earth Poems - pg. 37

Escape - Klacto - No. 23 - 1967
== Is it either one of these? (they are two different poems)
Escape - You Get So Alone At Times That It Just Makes Sense - pg. 235 - 1986
Escape - Betting on the Muse - pg. 56 - 1996

Drunk Before Noon - The Flash of Lightning Behind the Mountain - pg. 261
Hemingway, Drunk Before Noon - Planet Detroit Magazine - No. 6 - 1985

Hey, Kafka! - The Flash of Lightning Behind the Mountain - pg. 138
Hey Kafka - Long Shot - Vol. 7 - 1988

I Am A True Mole - Gas - 1990
I Am A Mole - Slouching Toward Nirvana - pg. 221

In Search Of A Hero - Sifting Through the Madness for the Word, the Line, the Way - pg. 352
In Search Of The Hero - Nihilistic Review - Vol. 1 - No. 1 - 1991

Model - Oxford American - No. 1 - 1992
Model Friend - Sifting Through the Madness for the Word, the Line, the Way - pg. 250

Notes On A Door-Knocker - New York Quarterly - No. 8 - 1971
Note On A Door Knocker - The People Look Like Flowers At Last - pg. 255

The Simplicity Of Everything - Border - Vol. 1 - No. 1 - 1965
The Simplicity Of Everything In Viet Nam - The Roominghouse Madrigals - pg. 36

The Terror - Betting on the Muse - pg. 141
The Terror Of Sunlight Is People Walking Through Who Were Long Ago Lost In Intention And Who Have Now Turned To Mobile Shit - Hull House Theater - 1966, Intermission - Page 23 - 1966

There's A Poet On Every Bar Stool - The Flash of Lightning Behind the Mountain - pg. 269
There's A Poet On Every Barstool And Not Only That, They're All Geniuses - Stance - No. 5 - 1988

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Two different poems, but I don't have Hunted to see which it it...
Fan Letter​
or
A Fan Letter​
in: Run With the Hunted - 1993

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Hot (three different versions)

Grist - No. 9 - Page 4 - 1966
Event - Vol. 2 - No. 2 - 1973

Mockingbird Wish Me Luck - pg. 80
- "I was up under the attic and it was almost summer"

You Get So Alone At Times That It Just Makes Sense - pg. 281
- "there's fire in the fingers and there's fire in the shoes and there's"

Could also be:

Hot (She Was So Hot)

Burning in Water Drowning in Flame - pg. 161
The Pleasures of the Damned - pg. 492
- "she was hot, she was so hot"

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Digney in Burnaby

donkeys live a long time
A Sickness - New York Quarterly - No. 45 - 1991
A Sickness? - Sifting Through the Madness for the Word, the Line, the Way - pg. 155
Essentially the same poem. Published in NYQ 45 as "A SICKNESS". Lots of editorial changes too numerous to list. Line changes, stanza break changes, rearranging the order of the content. Ending is changed.
 

Digney in Burnaby

donkeys live a long time
Hell Is Always Now - New York Quarterly - No. 48 - 1992
Hell Is Now - Betting on the Muse - pg. 156
Same poem. A couple word changes.

It's A Drag - New York Quarterly - No. 51 - 1993
It's A Drag Just Breathing - Slouching Toward Nirvana - pg. 172
Poem title in NYQ 51 is:

IT'S A DRAG JUST BREATHING THROUGH MY NOSTRILS ALL DAY LONG...

Essentially the same poem with some changes in Nirvana.

Men Without Women - Come On In! - pg. 213
The Man Without Women - New York Quarterly - No. 30 - 1986
Essentially the same poem with some changes made to the Come On In! version.

Small Conversation - New York Quarterly - No. 49 - 1992
Small Conversation In The Afternoon With John Fante - the night torn mad with footsteps - pg. 335
Title in NYQ 49 is:

SMALL CONVERSATION IN THE AFTERNOON

Editorial changes made. Essentially the same poem.

Hot (three different versions)
Event - Vol. 2 - No. 2 - 1973
Burning in Water Drowning in Flame - pg. 161
hot from Event 2/2 is the same (except for a couple changes) as p. 161 of Burning in Water.
 
Slow Night - Bone Palace Ballet - pg. 297
Slow Night In The Fast Life - New Censorship - Vol. 5 - No. 2 - 1993

completely different poem.
 
Action Down On The Corner - Wormwood Review - Vol. 21 - No. 1/2 - Page 33
Action On The Corner - what matters most is how well you walk through the fire - pg. 400

Casablanca - the night torn mad with footsteps - pg. 143
Casablanca And Everything - Wormwood Review - Vol. 25 - No. 4 - Page 143

Daylight Saving - Wormwood Review - Vol. 13 - No. 1 - Page 38
Daylight Saving Time - What Matters Most Is How Well You Walk Through The Fire - pg. 50

Fun Times - Wormwood Review - Vol. 25 - No. 3 - Page 115 - 1985
Fun Times: 1930 - Sifting Through the Madness for the Word, the Line, the Way - pg. 282

I Have This New Room - The Flash of Lightning Behind the Mountain - pg. 223
I Have This Room - Wormwood Review - Vol. 36 - No. 1 - Page 46 - 1996

My Landlady - Wormwood Review - Vol. 11 - No. 4 - Page 134 - 1971
My Landlady And My Landlord - Mockingbird Wish Me Luck - pg. 44

One More Good One - What Matters Most Is How Well You Walk Through The Fire - pg. 127, The Pleasures of the Damned - pg. 282
One More Good One. Why Not? - Wormwood Review - Vol. 10 - No. 1 - Page 13 - 1970

Pick Up - Wormwood Review - Vol. 25 - No. 4 - Page 145 - 1985
Pick-Up - the night torn mad with footsteps - pg. 220

Puzzle - Open All Night - pg. 185
Puzzle? - Wormwood Review - Vol. 25 - No. 3 - Page 116 - 1985

Snapshot - Wormwood Review - Vol. 35 - No. 2 - Page 93 - 1995
Snapshot (1985) - Bone Palace Ballet - pg. 264

The Lady In The Castle - You Get So Alone At Times That It Just Makes Sense - pg. 189
The Lady In The Castle And The Lady Not In The Castle - Wormwood Review - Vol. 35 - No. 4 - Page 188 - 1995

Dear Paw And Ma - Wormwood Review - Vol. 29 - No. 4 - Page 143 - 1989
Dear Pa and Ma - War All the Time - pg. 205
(same poem, just wondering if it's "paw" in Wormwood)
In each case, they are the same poem except for:

My Landlady - Wormwood Review - Vol. 11 - No. 4 - Page 134 - 1971
My Landlady And My Landlord - Mockingbird Wish Me Luck - pg. 44

These two are different poems (although I get the sense that they may be about the same living situation).

The others pairings/trios have the usual differences. In general , I prefer the Wormwood versions.

Lastly, it is "Paw" in Wormwood.
 

cirerita

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A Conversation on Morality, Eternity and Copulation
The Roominghouse Madrigals - pg. 132
Avalanche - No. 1 - 1966
Does Avalanche print the title as morality or mortality? Mortality seems correct for the poem, but it's "morality" in Madrigals.
My copy says "A CONVERSATION ON MORALITY,ETERNITY AND COPULATION:"
 

LickTheStar

Sad Flower in the Sand
The Elephants - throb - No. 1 - 1971
The Elephants Of Vietnam - The People Look Like Flowers At Last - pg. 56, The Pleasures of the Damned - pg. 8
Essentially the same poem. Some minor changes between the THROB version and the "Flowers" version.

In a weird turn of events, though... The THROB version is the same as the "Pleasures" version... Hm.
 

hank solo

Just practicin' steps and keepin' outta the fights
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mad enough - Septaugenarian Stew - pg. 362
mad enough to puke on the whole world - High Times - 1984

The same short story, with minor changes here and there. High Times issue is August 1984, issue no. 108.
 

Rekrab

Usually wrong.
I may have a few more of those mags on your list that I can check. I should have dug through them on Sunday afternoon instead of searching through boxes in my basement just to see what was there. I'll add it to my ever growing to do list.
 
Escape - Klacto 23
Escape - Klacto - No. 23 - 1967
== Is it either one of these? (they are two different poems)
Escape - You Get So Alone At Times That It Just Makes Sense - pg. 235 - 1986
Escape - Betting on the Muse - pg. 56 - 1996

All three are totally different. Attached is the Klacto version.

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BTW, I used to have a cat named Klacto - I was reading something (I think it was Beneath the Underdog by Charles Mingus) while on an airplane in 97 and saw Klactoveedsedsteen as the name of a Charlie Parker album in the book and thought that Klacto would be a cool name for the cat I was going to pick up from the humane society in a couple of days. As it happens, I was flying from Cleveland back to Denver and had picked up a couple of Buk titles from Olde Erie St Books while in Cleveland. At the time I did not know of the Klacto poetry mag, nor did I know anything about Krumhansl at Olde Erie St Books.
 

number6horse

okyoutwopixiesoutyougo
"I hold to the whiskey dream
because my head is only a skull momentarily above
ground"


I think I just found my epitaph.

Good work nado - thank you !
 

bospress.net

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like Josh said, it is the same. Strange that the poem follows the ms 100%. I am sure that Marvin worked from that same ms that you posted. Not a period out of place.

WR124 was published in 1991, so someone held on to the poem for 9 years...

Bill
 

mjp

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Thanks, lads.

Yeah, the lag between manuscript date and publication in Wormwood is unusually long. Usually the Wormwood publication comes the year after the manuscript date.
 

cirerita

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Well, that's not the case for the WR issues published in the early 90s. Most of the poems printed then date back to the early to mid 80s.
 

mjp

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Oh, well I haven't got that far with the manuscripts yet. I'm working on 1982 right now, and the one year lag is certainly working for that time period.
 

mjp

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I'm untangling "This" in the database, but I don't know if the "Burn Again Press" book This is the same poem as any of these:

Crucifix in a Deathhand - pg. 58 (The Roominghouse Madrigals - pg. 180)
You Get So Alone At Times That It Just Makes Sense - pg. 280
The Last Night of the Earth Poems - pg. 134

Also, which "This" is in the 1993 version of Run With the Hunted?
 

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