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mjp

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Looks like he was only in New Orleans for 15 days. Add another few days for train travel and he's probably still within what they would get for vacation time. I don't know what it was like in the 60s, but in general, Federal employees get a lot of holidays and vacation.

He could have also taken unpaid leave, or "sick" leave. Remember, his attendance (or non-attendance) at the job was always getting him in trouble.
 

Digney in Burnaby

donkeys live a long time
Don't know about how much time they got then (early 1960s) or now. A quick look finds that JFK signed a bill allowing federal employees to have collective bargaining in 1962. They could not strike. A wildcat strike by postal workers in 1970 due to poor benefits and conditions. Apparently they weren't allowed to bargain collectively so maybe JFK's bill didn't apply. Nixon first brought in the military to try to break the strike and then wrote a reorganization bill for postal workers.

I wonder how much holiday time Bukowski had back in 1965 and if he didn't just book off sick.
 
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btw.:
do we know how he managed this (supposed) taking off for a couple of weeks to beat the horses?

(ain't in the shape to look it all up now, but seem to recall, this period was not only in 'Post Office' but also mentioned in bios.)
 
out timeline says, when Hank moved within the DeLongpre-complex (from the back to the famous bungalow near the street), this were already without Frances and Marina. Sounes and Neeli say, they were with him in the bungalow at first. I find that believable:

- in a letter to Blazek (24-3-65 / 'Screams',p.136) it sounds as if they were still living together.
- the poem 'the new place' (WR #16 / 1964) also indicates that they may live together (the poem was written, while living on ground level, as was the previously mentioned letter)
- in letter to Blazek ("Sometime, 1965 / in 'Screams' between "Late May, 1965" and "June 2, 1965", p.159f): "... I must live with her because of the child ...".

have stumpled about a few more indications lately.
Just sayin'.
 
maybe I've just not seen them in the timeline, but I think these readings are missing:

St. Mark's Reading 2-3-72
Buk Troubadour 10-3-76
 

mjp

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I won't have to read about that damn truck again.
I know it's been a couple of years, but I added the truck driving to the timeline, saying he probably drove for the post office.

I was in there because I was just re-reading the Jon Webb Jr. book for some reason, and in there Lou says he visited them in New Orleans during the printing of Outsider #1, which was news to me (and apparently all of his biographers). I don't see anything in letters from that time that says he's going to, or has just been to, New Orleans, so maybe Lou is remembering a different visit.
 
Might be like her memory meeting young Bobby Zimmerman in The Quarter. Although I think the timeline for that also wasn't right.
 

mjp

Founding member
SUNBEAM!

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mjp

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I think the timeline entry comes from a newspaper ad - but either date could be right or wrong, I suppose.

What I always wonder when I read that letter is what the "stirring and magic" thing was in the two weeks from June 27th...
 
Ah, so it wasn't Amber.
My memory is vanishing, esp concerning names & dates. Summer of 1975 seems to be the time he was with Pam, right?
So maybe a look into her bio may reveil, with whom he was cheating her at the time.
 

Rekrab

Usually wrong.
Poet Joan Jobe Smith just told me about an early Bukowski reading that's not on the Timeline. She says CSULB professor and poet Elliot Fried was the first person at Cal State Long Beach to pay Bukowski money to do a reading. It was in Huntington Beach at a little theatre in 1970 or 1969. I'll ask what her information source is. Hopefully we can nail this down soon.
 

Rekrab

Usually wrong.
I'm waiting for more info from Joan Jobe Smith but it looks like the reading was at the Nifty Theater, 307 Main St., Huntington Beach, in 1969. Gerald Locklin talks about colleagues of his at CSULB who had wanted to get in touch with Bukowski to do a reading at the Nifty Theater, on page 1 of his book Charles Bukowski: A Sure Bet. He doesn't mention Fried by name and gives a 1970 date, but Joan is certain it was in 1969, when the first two issues of Laugh Literary and Man the Humping Guns were published. I've been looking for a newspaper announcement for the event but haven't yet found one.
 

Rekrab

Usually wrong.
Okay, I heard back from Joan Jobe Smith (a poet very active in Long Beach circa 1974 (I'll check that date) to present, founder and co-editor of Pearl magazine). She has a phenomenal memory, and everything she tells me about the good old days checks out. She says Long Beach poet/small press publisher Leo Mailman (a good friend of hers and mine in the 1970s until his death in 1991) told her that Elliot Fried brought Bukowski to read at a small theater in Huntington Beach (the Nifty Theater) in 1969. She's certain that it was Elliot and that it was 1969. Elliot (a Long Beach poet and professor at CSULB) was also a good friend of mine. He was involved in theater at that time. I searched thousands of pages of underground newspapers in L.A. (mostly the L. A. Free Press and Open City), and found many announcements for the Nifty Review in 1969 and 1970, which was a floating review that appeared at various college campuses in Southern California and also at the Nifty Theater. These confirm that Elliot Fried was the leader of the Nifty Review and Nifty Theater, and I found one announcement that mentioned a poet by name as being part of the review, but there was no mention of Bukowski.

As I said above, CSULB poet and professor Gerald Locklin talks about colleagues of his who wanted to get in touch with Bukowski to do a reading at the Nifty Theater, on page 1 of his book Charles Bukowski: A Sure Bet. He doesn't mention Fried by name, and doesn't say if the Nifty Theater reading ever came off, but segues into telling how he found money to bring Bukowski to read at CSULB at a noon time event in 1970. On page 52 of the same book, Gerry say "It was in 1969 I was first asked to contact him for a reading at our university" (CSULB). Again, he doesn't say if that reading came off, and doesn't say who it was that had asked him. I get the impression that Gerry didn't want to give Elliot credit for beating him to arranging a paid reading for Bukowski, or admit that Elliot's event was the first Buk reading arranged by someone at CSULB.

About the venue. It was an old wooden building, originally a barn, that was Methodist church before it became the Nifty Theater. Joan knows the building well but didn't remember it's name until I found that in Gerry's book.

Based on Gerry's statements in Sure Bet, I had only 50% confidence that a 1969 reading at Nifty Theater had actually happened. But given Leo Mailman as Joan's source, my confidence goes up to 95%. Leo was at the center of the lively small press poetry scene in Long Beach in the 70s and 80s, knew everyone and everything, had a crystal clear mind (not a heavy drinker like some of us in those days), and if he said it happened, it damn well happened. I'd like to find documentary evidence, but that may not happen before this forum shuts down, if ever. Gerry Locklin is retired and unavailable for comment (I tried.) Elliot Fried is also retired. I tried getting his contact info, but people associated with the college won't give it out due to confidentially concerns, which I respect.

I don't know if this is enough to add a reading to the official timeline. If I learn more before the curtain goes down, I'll post it here. I hope to find a day & month in 1969 so we'll know if this is his first or second known public reading. The Timeline currently shows the first as being the one at The Bridge bookstore in L.A. on December 11, 1969.
 

Hannah

The artist formerly known as mjp
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I don't know if this is enough to add a reading to the official timeline.
Not really.

I know there may be one or two "if this is true, this would be the first [whatever]" kind of things in the timeline, but I'd like to avoid too much of that kind of speculation whenever possible.

Not saying your sources are speculating, but without a date or advertisement or notice or flyer or letter or something to assign a date, I really wouldn't have anything to add.

And again, the timeline/main site isn't going anywhere. There's a contact page over there. So if you find something for the timeline five years from now, it can still be added.
 

Rekrab

Usually wrong.
That makes sense. So far, this alleged reading story is merely hearsay. I didn't realize you will be willing to amend the Timeline after the forum shuts down. If I find any proof, I'll contact you about it. Thanks.
 

Hannah

The artist formerly known as mjp
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The timeline has been continuously updated since it started (whenever that was) and that isn't changing any time soon. It's typically updated many times a year. The same with the database and manuscripts. It's not always obvious, but that site has been growing and evolving since it was created.

Nothing is changing where the bukowski.net site is concerned. The timeline, manuscripts, and database will continue to be updated when there's something to add to them (and when I have time to add it).
 
Gerry Locklin is retired and unavailable for comment (I tried.)
Did you try via email? I could provide you with his mail-addy, if you'd want to give it another shot.

Gerry has always been open and friendly, also attending the symposia of the Bukowski-Society a couple of times. But in the last years I got the impression, that he's a little tired to talk Bukowski anymore. His usual comment now, when asked about Bukowski, is, that he already had said everything he could say and refers to his book.
 

Rekrab

Usually wrong.
Did you try via email? I could provide you with his mail-addy, if you'd want to give it another shot.

Thanks, but I doubt I would get a reply. I've been told he has serious health issues and is unable to correspond.
 
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