Out of curiosity, what have you all tried to correct previously?
Maybe a new thread What Sounes Got Wrong would be useful? Might even flush out a reponse from 'he who apparently does not respond'?
Out of curiosity, what have you all tried to correct previously?
Also, In Soune's "Bukowski in Pictures," there are pics of her and B. together.
She must be who Sounes got most of the info. from.
As [...] truth.
[...] like to discuss the truth here, but if and when the time is right.[...]
So tell your disapproving, tightass family to lighten up. They aren't protecting the honor of the Queen of England here.
Besides, if the story is ever published anywhere, it will end up here in one form or another. Where people can actually see it. I would think that's what you would want. Instead you are pissing all over your best outlet for the truth.
I told you why I was irritated, do you have comprehension issues? We didn't build this resource for you to denigrate (or "piss all over" as I said previously), and you have continually done so by pointing out that your family doesn't care for it.Whoa mjp. You seem to be awfully irritated about finding out the truth about someone completely unimportant to you.
Yes, but only because you said "please." I am a sucker for good manners, as you have no doubt gathered from our exchanges here.Are you OK with that mjp? Can we move on now, please?
You're fighting a non-existent battle. No one has much in the way of "perceptions," because honestly, Bukowski wrote very little about Barbara Frye. Compared to say, Jane Cooney, Linda King or Pam Miller, women he wrote hundreds of poems and stories about.It's fine with me, too, if you don't care about changing your perceptions.
All we could talk about is what is in the biographies. We don't know anything else, you do. So any conversations would be rather one-sided.What I would be interested in talking about, here, is her life with Bukowski.
"The Day I Kicked a Bankroll Out the Window."
That was the poem that made W. Corrington say that Bukowski's poetry was "the spoken voice nailed to paper." I can't blame him. I mean, Corrington.
No one has much in the way of "perceptions," because honestly, Bukowski wrote very little about Barbara Frye. Compared to say, Jane Cooney, Linda King or Pam Miller, women he wrote hundreds of poems and stories about.
All we could talk about is what is in the biographies. We don't know anything else, you do. So any conversations would be rather one-sided.
Come to think of it, there are comments in biographies about her social-climbing tendencies, and this as one of the reasons for Bukowski's growing emotional distance from her towards the end of their marriage.
It's difficult for a newcomer to Bukowski's library to sift through everything and try to make sense of it all (especially in such a short amount of time). Anyway, the earliest poems are probably where I'll have the best shot of finding more. Ideas? Hints? Leave it be as a lost cause?
The only perception one can draw from the virtual omission of Barbara Frye from his history is that Bukowski preferred not to dwell on that chapter of his life. Over the years he seemed to go out of his way to minimize and trivialize the marriage.
You are in a unique position to explain why that might be.
The Fry correspondence to Bukowski available at UCSB is not related to her death at all.
How great it is to have you two here. By a professors' suggestion, I was about to go digging around the UCSB archives.cirerita;72869 said:The Fry correspondence to Bukowski available at UCSB is not related to her death at all. There are a few postcards she sent him when she was in Alaska. My powers of observation must be pretty shitty because I just can't see the Indian connection in those postcards.HV: I just noticed in Sounes' source notes for chapter 14, regarding the events surrounding the death of Barbara Frye, he says, inter alia, "I also referred to Barbara Frye's unpublished correspondence with Bukowski held at UCSB". Have you seen that material yet?
Bukowski read the galley proof of my biographical essay on him THE KING OF SAN PEDRO and made a few corrections and changes by hand. He deleted a reference to an early relationship. I would have to check the marked up proof, but I think it was Barbara Frye that he scratched out. If I get a chance, I'll look for it and let you know who he deleted. Either a wife or a live-in girl friend, early 1950s-ish.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I sense more bitterness than anything else in his writing. I do have some theories, but I still need to read more of Bukowski's side of the story before I blurt anything out (if there is much more).
Who are the Human Vultures?
Those other people. You know.
I do that all the time myself. Somehow, they tolerate me. This is a forgiving place if you are not too much of an asshole. An intentional one. Go too far, and mjp gets out the flamethrower.Again, though, I just come off as an asshole. Sorry.
the earliest poems are probably where I'll have the best shot of finding more. Ideas? Hints? Leave it be as a lost cause?
Hmm, compare? I don't know how to compare it. I think his novels, as most of his other writing, has good continuity. Personally, I love "Post Office". There are some very funny parts in that book where I have laughed out loud no matter how many times I have read it.Currently reading Post Office. As his first novel, how do you think it compares to his other works?
i believe those are lungs....
Yes, lungs. Very nice.i believe those are lungs.
i believe those are lungs.