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JimmyLane
Yes, she was not only living with and planning to marry Bukowski at the time she was going out 15 nights in one month, but she was also declaring how she'd planned to live with other people the rest of her life. C'mon, this is a binge drinking pig.
Bukowski makes clear he wasn't looking for that kind of woman.
Later in life Linda B cleaned up her act and became the dutiful wife Hank always desired. She was a decent human being, that's all. We must refrain from our impulses toward deifying her because a deity she was not.
Surely ye jest.
I don't see you participating in the dialogue and so take it you have nothing constructive to say. You're a Bukowski fan summoning the mods to ban me. Give this man a drink! :rolleyes:
Well this is a lively dialogue.
I think JimmyLane is in a particular minority, although he is entitled to his opinion and his own understanding of the material, be it what he saw in the Bukowski Tapes or something else.
Personally, I disagree with his characterisation of Linda B. In particular I think he has misunderstood what she meant when saying she planned on living with other people for the rest of her life. I don't believe she meant she wanted an open relationship or anything, just that she like to spend time seeing her friends and had realised that Bukowski was inclined to rather stay at home by himself, except for the time he liked to spend at the track, which even then was a solitary exercise for him. Anyway, as hooch said neither Linda is as black and white etc, and yes, as someone else said, see Women.
Anyway, on Linda - Bukowski said (and this was before the Tapes were filmed)
I think JimmyLane is in a particular minority, although he is entitled to his opinion and his own understanding of the material, be it what he saw in the Bukowski Tapes or something else.
Personally, I disagree with his characterisation of Linda B. In particular I think he has misunderstood what she meant when saying she planned on living with other people for the rest of her life. I don't believe she meant she wanted an open relationship or anything, just that she like to spend time seeing her friends and had realised that Bukowski was inclined to rather stay at home by himself, except for the time he liked to spend at the track, which even then was a solitary exercise for him. Anyway, as hooch said neither Linda is as black and white etc, and yes, as someone else said, see Women.
Anyway, on Linda - Bukowski said (and this was before the Tapes were filmed)
True love indeed.
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I have a thick skin, JimiLayne. You will have to do better than that.
Billy
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n.
1.
a. A scrap of cloth.
b. A piece of cloth used for cleaning, washing, or dusting.
2. rags Threadbare or tattered clothing.
3. Cloth converted to pulp for making paper.
4. A scrap; a fragment.
5. Slang A newspaper, especially one specializing in sensationalism or gossip.
6. The stringy central portion and membranous walls of a citrus fruit.
Idiom:
on the rag Vulgar Slang
1. Menstruating.
2. Irritable; grouchy.
[Middle English ragge, from Old English *ragg, from Old Norse *rägg, woven tuft of wool.]
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More and more, it's looking like you started this argument just to see who you could piss off. And that you're feeding on that.
Gerard K H Love
Appreciate your friends
It's like breaking windows to hear the crash. Grow up and pay attention, Jimmy. It's one thing to stir up some shit but to be so far off base and just plain wrong. Go piss on the Michael Bolton forum or the Barry Manilow fan club chat room.
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BENPLEASANTS
Hank's personal life...
Some more questions: Bukowski has never written about his getting a driver's license. Did he send in two boxtops and 5 bucks, or did he actually sit down for the test?
Has Buk written anything about his wedding? THE WEDDING book has great photos, are there any thoughts, poems, predictions or lamentations in it?
I'm trying real hard to be civil.
I wish to participate in a dialogue and say something constructive. I don't know what Linda Lee meant when she stated that she would "live with other people the rest of her life". What about Bukowski after the move to San Pedro? Was he getting any on the side? Was he even interested in some "on-the-side-action"? There's a letter to Linda King in the early 80's where he expresses love and maybe even some lust for her that I saw on the PBA Galleries web-site a few years back.
Some more questions: Bukowski has never written about his getting a driver's license. Did he send in two boxtops and 5 bucks, or did he actually sit down for the test?
Has Buk written anything about his wedding? THE WEDDING book has great photos, are there any thoughts, poems, predictions or lamentations in it?
I'm trying real hard to be civil.
Looks like I missed all the fun. Whilst moderately amusing in small doses I think Jimmy's just an attention whore. He was probably typing left-handed when he got a few bites.
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I'm ok with being insulted, if it is warranted. I have done enough on this forum to be insulted and rightly so. Plus, I'm not the owner or moderator. It is all fair. I'm a big boy. The issue is that he appeared to have come here to stir up trouble. It is fine to not like Linda Lee. She is fair game. The issue was that he was just attacking her to toy with us. The goal was to pit the Bukowski defenders against each others and cause discord. Then he started insulting people and asking to be banned, while claiming that he was being oppressed (see: the dissident).
Read all of his posts. I saw one that was not a troll posting. All of the other ones were done to get a reaction.
We are very welcoming to many new members here (even though Poptop thinks that we are cruel to all new members), but when someone comes here and tried to shit on our necks, they are dealt with. These trolls are not hard to pick out as they all use the same tactics. Not really an original bone in their bodies...
Bill
p.s. He called BoSP and Chance Press "Rags", which is meant as an insult, but it is funny. Like what we put out or not (again, what we publish is not for everyone), but calling our presses "rags" (which means gossipy, cheap newspapers) is like calling us "plaid" or "off-orange". It just makes no sense. Maybe that was the thing that he thought would hurt me the most, but I thought that it was funny. Maybe I'll use it on my website.
Read all of his posts. I saw one that was not a troll posting. All of the other ones were done to get a reaction.
We are very welcoming to many new members here (even though Poptop thinks that we are cruel to all new members), but when someone comes here and tried to shit on our necks, they are dealt with. These trolls are not hard to pick out as they all use the same tactics. Not really an original bone in their bodies...
Bill
p.s. He called BoSP and Chance Press "Rags", which is meant as an insult, but it is funny. Like what we put out or not (again, what we publish is not for everyone), but calling our presses "rags" (which means gossipy, cheap newspapers) is like calling us "plaid" or "off-orange". It just makes no sense. Maybe that was the thing that he thought would hurt me the most, but I thought that it was funny. Maybe I'll use it on my website.
I think JimmyLane is confusing a lot of things.
I knew Linda slightly in late 69-early 70, five or six years before she met Buk. We both hung out at the Pough & Stars in Cambridge and chatted ocassionlly. (She may have worked at the Plough but I'm not sure). I'd describe her as smart, tough, sometimes sweet, and very attractive -- not a pig, certainly not a drunk, and no more foul-mouthed than others in that milieu.
Linda's description of herself in the Mike Watt interview is an accurate depiction of the Linda I knew back in the day. Judging her character by the short clip in the film and tapes is unsubstantiated bullshit.
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Hi Gurry,
I don;t think that even JamiLynne believes what he says. He is what they call a troll. His only reason for being here was to create strife. He could care less about Bukowski. It is all the fun of fucking with people. On many forums, they let this kind of assplay happen and it causes problems.
At buknet they are removed. Maybe now he can find a Sylvia Plath forum where he can say that Ted Hughes was a pedophile.
Bill
I don;t think that even JamiLynne believes what he says. He is what they call a troll. His only reason for being here was to create strife. He could care less about Bukowski. It is all the fun of fucking with people. On many forums, they let this kind of assplay happen and it causes problems.
At buknet they are removed. Maybe now he can find a Sylvia Plath forum where he can say that Ted Hughes was a pedophile.
Bill
True Bill ... but even trolls need to get smacked down sometimes. And thanks Rekrab. I'm just someone who read a lot of Bukowski and, quite by coincidence, knew Linda when she was in her 20s.
I just found this thread and I think everyone realizes how important Linda was to Buk and keeping him alive, I'm not gonna read the whole thing just to see what a twit Jimmy is.
The Plough & Stars has been one of the best bars in Boston/Cambridge for a long time- that's pretty neat that Linda hung (and possibly worked) there.
The Plough & Stars has been one of the best bars in Boston/Cambridge for a long time- that's pretty neat that Linda hung (and possibly worked) there.
Black Swan
Abord the Yorikke!
Plenty of turkeys here!:D
Bukfan
"The law is wrong; I am right"
No turkeys here, but plenty of Turks...:D