WRITE magazine

cirerita

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#61
Time to revive this thread:

Here's the list of contributors to Write v.1 no.3 (Dec. 1940):

The Guiding Star - Odessa Grist Clark
A Carol of the Holy - Katharine Simons
The Nation's Only College-Community Theatre - Jeanne Patterson
Rastus and the Angels - Nelle Womack Hines
Age to Youth - Euri Belle Bolton
Maizie Wept - Thomas J. Tobias
The Tryst - Helen Coburn Drummond
Askosh Ambulates Again - Winnie Bevis Adams
Floating Indebtedness - Flora Buffington
The Dorway - Ruth Spepherd
Christmas Eve - Fred W. Schaefer
This Old Year - A.G. DeLoach
In a Cafeteria - Harriett V. Bush
Gale in Darkness - Alice Austin Sheffield
Inefficient? Democracy - Kenneth E. Palmer
Final Word - Sarah Lemon
Good Luck - Frances Donehoo
First Aid for Beginning Writers - Robert Sprague Parrish
Love and Devotion - Frances Bodie
Return Trip, Prize Story - Margaret H. Donald
A Prayer - Etta J. Pugh
Seven Poems - Gerald Chan Seig
Complete the Records, Son - Hazle Hancock
Aunt Sarah Prefers Slavery - Emma W. Gaillard
Aiding Prosperity - R.E.L. Whitworth
Return to Happiness - Robert Sprage Parrish
Gratitude - Elizabeth Fitten Goldsmith
Why be Educated? - Grace Pope
Marlain in New England - Katharine Simons​

Any familiar name? I Googled all these names last year, and found out that one of the contributors was alive. Well, at least I found her email online, but she never replied to me. Oh, well...
 

Joseph K

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#62
I think the best way of locating a Write (as has probably already been said) is to find a descendant of one the writers published in Buk issue or a relation of an editor... Good luck - tough considering we don't even have contents list of that issue.
 

cirerita

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#63
I did find the grandson of one of the contributors to v.1 no.3, but no luck. He didn't have the Write material.

Oh, I forgot something: The Nelle Womack Hines and Euri Belle Bolton Papers are available at some library, but that library didn't have a single copy of Write. Quite a few libraries have tons of unprocessed collections, and that material does not show up online. You have to call them or bombard them with email messages until they get back to you. It's a painfully slow process.
 

bospress.net

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#66
It seems like 1940 is too early, but just asked her if it is possible that A.G. DeLoach is her step-father.

I assume that someone (probably Cirerita) has checked the Dr. Marvin Sackner archives. I cannot imagine him not having one...

Bill
 

bospress.net

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#68
http://www.rediscov.com/sacknerarchives/

They mostly dealt with concrete poetry, but collected a shit load of small press stuff. I have heard that this was the largest collection of concrete poetry in the world. If there was a concrete poem in Write Magazine, I would think that it is in their archives....

Nothing may ever pan out from this but you never know...

Bill
 

cirerita

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#69
Bill,

let us know if Allen DeLoach is actually A.G. DeLoach.

The Intrepid/Allen DeLoach Papers are at Buffalo.



Apparently, the search page does not work on the M. Sackner site.
 

hoochmonkey9

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#70
I thought i was in luck, but all i did was get info that we already had.
here's my conversation with a librarian at the University of Georgia...

meeboguest494562: Gerald Chan Sieg was a poet and former professor at UofG.
meeboguest494562: she passed away a few years ago.
ugalibsref: Ok...do you have a question about her?
meeboguest494562: do you know if her archives are located at your library, or if there are archives, where they might be?
ugalibsref: Let me see what I can find out...
ugalibsref: from my cursory search
ugalibsref: I only see three books in our collection by Gerald Chan Sieg
ugalibsref: But I am not fully versed in our archival holdings
ugalibsref: If I were you, I would call the Hargrett Rare Book & Manuscript Library during their operating hours, 8 a.m. - 5 p.m. Mon-Thurs
ugalibsref: Friday 8-4:30
ugalibsref: Sat 1-5
ugalibsref: Their phone number is
ugalibsref: (706) 542-7123
ugalibsref: These are the titles I saw in our catalog
ugalibsref: Far journey
ugalibsref: Recollection : the Poetry Society of Georgia 1923-1998
ugalibsref: Chinese Christmas box
meeboguest494562: thanks very much. very helpful
ugalibsref: Was there some particular information on the author you were looking for?
meeboguest494562: I'm trying to locate a copy of write magazine from dec. 1940 that she appeared in.
ugalibsref: Well, let's see...
ugalibsref: Was the title "Write Magazine" or just "Write"?
meeboguest494562: I believe just "Write".
ugalibsref: you're in luck
ugalibsref: it seems that's the only issue of Write we own
ugalibsref: Write; the monthly magazine for amateur writers.
Publisher: Atlanta.
Location: .Main 3rd floor Georgia Room (Hargrett)
Call Number: Ga Room AP2 .W956
Volumes Owned: v. 1, no. 3 (1940:Dec.)
ugalibsref: Dec.
ugalibsref: And we seem to be the only library I can easily locate that does own this.
meeboguest494562: wow. you don't know how glad i am to hear that.
ugalibsref: :)
ugalibsref: Since this is located in the Rare books & Manuscript Library
ugalibsref: the best thing to do would be to call them tomorrow
meeboguest494562: you made my day. thanks.
ugalibsref: You're welcome. Just make sure to give them the call number and title of the magazine you're looking for, and if you need them to scan or copy the article, they should be able to help you out
meeboguest494562: super. thanks again.
I confused the Dec. 1940 issue with Buk's issue that would have come a few years later.
so, there ya go. I'm a twit. but with good intentions.
 

cirerita

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#72
There are many odd things about this Write. Apparently, the last issue -v.1 no.4- came out in 1941-1942. Maybe Bukowski was in Atlanta in 1942, maybe not. If he was, and he was published there in 1942, then it would contradict what he says in the Portfolio bio -he says he was first in Story and then in Write. Unless, which is not impossible, he wanted to give more importance to Story and placed it first, even if Write might have been his first true periodical appearance (besides the The Collegian letters, that is).

Sometimes I think the Write he mentions it's not this Write, but some other periodical simply titled Write. But no USA library has any mag titled Write published in the 1942-1946 period.
 

Rekrab

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#73
Great research, you guys. So close, yet so far away. Someobody will find it eventually. I came across a stash of copies of a little mag from the late 40s, multiple copies of several issues, at a library book sale, for 10 cents each. I bought them all because otherwise they were headed for a dumpster. Not great literature, and I don't recognize any names, but someday I'll put them on eBay and maybe someone will be glad to have them. Could be the only copies left on earth. This stuff turns up when someone dies and their kids clean out the place. Same could happen with Bukowski's issue of WRITE.
 

bospress.net

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#74
What if the magazine is actually called RITE?

Really with such an vague name, it is nearly impossible to locate, which is what makes Abel's progress so incredible.

Next we'll find out that he was in a small press magazine called "poems" and then we'll all go crazy looking for that.

Of course the fact that he mentioned it in 1946 makes it an incredible find if it exists.

Bill
 
#77
I think that the numbers bandied about here are ~$4,000-$6,000. But if it came up for auction on PBA, I'd wager for close to $10,000. Unless there are multiple. Hell, if I found 50, I'd sell the first one for $10,000 and then give the rest away for $10 here on Buk.net. Be warned. ;)
 

bospress.net

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#78
Yeah. $4,000 - $6,000 is probably fair, if it predates "Story Magazine". At PBA the key would to get two or three rabid Bukowski completists interested and you could see someone take this one much higher.

Imagine if this was the first published piece and only one copy is known to exist? If so, and you got really lucky, I cannot even imagine what it would go for.

Assuming that a copy is found and it is pre-1944, it wold be impossible to gauge as it would be unique.

Bill
 

cirerita

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#79
Just an update: the AG DeLoach listed as contributor to v.1 no.3 is not the Allen DeLoach who put out Intrepid.

Also, I contacted the grand daughter of one of the other contributors to v.1 no.3. Alas, she said she couldn't find Write in her grandmother papers.

This is a tough one.
 

Rekrab

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#81
If only one copy turns up, ever: $25,000.

I get excited and exagerate. That $25,000 value for Write may be too high. That's if it's unique and his earliest known published work and cool (great story, plus unknown photo or telling author bio or whatever) and at auction with fierce bidding, etc. More soberly, I'd guess it would go for $15,000 to $20,000.
 

mjp

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#82
I don't know if your first guess was far off, considering that a hardcover first of Post Office with a painting goes for around half of that, and a bookless painting just sold (apparently?) for $9k.

If Write exists and if it is of the general time we believe it is, it would be his first poetry and prose publications, so it wouldn't get any more unique, rare and significant than that.
 

roni

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#83
unfortunately, when i was visiting Montfort this weekend and asked him about 'WRITE'-magazine, he said, he doesn't know of any Buk-appearence in a mag of that name.

of course, this is no proof that he wasn't in it. just another bad sign.
 

mjp

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#86
Adding a short-lived "amateur" writing mag to your list of publications hardly enhances it. That he mentions Write along with the vastly more esteemed Story magazine means he had the poem and story accepted by Write. I don't think there's any doubt about that. Whether he ever saw a copy, or whether they ever got around to actually publishing his work is unknown. He was not in the final, unprinted edition, so the assumption is he was in a volume that has so far never been found. That kind of sums up the Write story.

Until a copy of the phantom v.1 no.2 is found, the question of whether he was actually in Write is unanswerable.
 

Rekrab

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#87
If it helps, in pre-internet days I had a long running disagreement with an expert on pulp sci-fi magazines that an oddity called The Shaver Mystery Magazine even existed. I swore it did, that I'd seen copies for sale in rare book dealers' catalogs, and he insisted it did not exist, that he knew the title of every pulp sci-fi magazine ever published, and he'd never seen or heard of it or heard of anyone that had seen or heard of it except for me. Well, along comes the Web and now it pops up on eBay maybe once a year. I still don't know how many issues were published, but I have one copy and could have bought others at relatively low prices. So maybe Write is rarer than that, but it's out there somewhere, and it will turn up eventually, that missing volume with Bukowski (perhaps) in it. Keep looking.
 
#89
Do you think he kept everything though? He often talked about people coming to his place to hang out and stealing his books, so who knows.
I have songs on 11 albums, own one or two of them. I'm with you on this, things vanish all the time. Where the hell is this stuff though? I've only read 22-23 of his books, so there's still more to go, but it's intriguing that stuff would be gone like that:confused:
 

Joseph K

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#90
No news on this search? >mjp, i agree adding an ephemeral amateur mag does not add much to the CV and I think Buk was being honest here. however...if i was in need of giving myself some credibility i might add a fictional piece to my CV, especially as in those days searching out things pre-inet was very tough. after all "sure, i was in an issue 1941. a copy? nah, got stolen..." hard to gainsay. However (again) if I was going to embellish I wouldn't choose a mag that actually *existed* and could be checked.

How do you think Buk came across Write? Issue in a library and submitted after reading a copy? Ideas?
 
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