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d gray

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way late apologies to hoochmonkey. i didn't realize there was already an art/artists thread.

feel free to merge.
 

mjp

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The petition should really be to remove Balthus' painting because it's just a shitty painting.
 

roni

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remove Balthus' painting because it's just a shitty painting
if this would be a reasonable reason, we'd have to re-do the century-old tyring discussions about what is good art or bad art and is there such a thing like "non-subjective taste". We don't want to go back there.

It's a bit like WITH BUKOWSKI:

After The Huntington accepted his work and after the City of LA named a bungalow-complex after him (we all remember the longgoing, dirty lawsuit that accompanied it, but STILL the City of LA did it) - it is NOT anymore a matter of personal taste, to find Bukowski an IMPORTANT writer.

It is - of course - a question of personal taste if YOU like him or his writing, but having him on the shelves with Shakespeare and Chaucer in The Huntington, there is no more denying of his importance as an artist.

So, I AM ALL AGAINST removing art from a museum, when the only point is, that one does not like it.
 
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d gray

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So, I AM ALL AGAINST removing art from a museum, when the only point is, that one does not like it.
absolutely, positively, 100 per cent couldn't agree with you more...unless it's late renoir...
 

esart

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absolutely, positively, 100 per cent couldn't agree with you more...unless it's late renoir...
Ha. Don't like him, eh?

Yeah, I read the article and the little person in me named "Ragey" poked her head out for a second. That kind of shit makes me angry, not just the censorship of art, but how tight people's hair buns get. As I scrolled down to look at the painting, I think about how smutty and disgusting these people's minds get when they look at all paintings and artistic photos of children when the artist probably meant something much more innocent than they're thinking. Their subjective mind, their response and understanding of what they see is what should be petitioned against.

I am glad that I read this article though because I did not know about Hanna Black (the art crit) posing for Dana Schutz's painting to be destroyed at the Whitney. Dana Schutz is one of my most favorite living artists. All her work is raw. She can paint Emmitt Till in a casket if she wants to. A white artist is not allowed to make artistic comments or expression about black suffering? Are you kidding me? I guess I'll have to burn some of my work too. :(
 

esart

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I just read that article. I don't know why Bryan Lewis Saunders' name is super familiar to me, but maybe I'll wake up in the middle of the night and have an "ah ha!" moment. I rather LOVE his experiment, but if you notice, his portraits don't start getting really good (If they are in order anyway) until he started taking bath salts. And that's also what probably did him in. I hear that shit is dangerous. Maybe it was once he took the bath salt, and then added the booze. Wow. Those get rad.

Makes me want to make art again. Maybe one day.

I like the idea of committing yourself to a "thing" every day for a month though. It's good discipline, like zen-ish or something. I've done things like this. It's always had very good results.

How is everyone?
 

roni

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until he started taking bath salts
I very rarely take bath-salts. Usually I take ethereal-oils or mostly nothing at all.
Sometimes I do experience creative waves in the tub, but never thought it could be because of the ingredients.
 

esart

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Maybe you confused a creative wave with a water wave? Were you farting during your bath? A lot of people confuse the fart gasses that come up to the surface, "bath salts." It can get them dangerously high. In some cases, they are hospitalized.
 

mjp

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Bryan Lewis Saunders
I think that guy is full of beans, as the kids say. There's something else at work there. He's not just "a curious and adventurous artist," he's got some other kind of screw loose. Like the "I really love drugs, I need to come up with some kind of excuse to get really fucked up" screw.

If he is just "a curious and adventurous artist," then the "experiment" is just a hype thing to draw attention to him and his his pedestrian art, which is worse than just being someone who loves to take drugs.

Because really, who doesn't love to take drugs?
 

d gray

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i actually didn't get all the way through the article but just finished it now.

in what way genuine? that he has integrity about his work?

he may, but the work itself - the quality - is very bad.

he says he resents that the drug pictures are the only ones people are interested in but that's the only interesting
thing about his work.

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esart

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i actually didn't get all the way through the article but just finished it now.

in what way genuine? that he has integrity about his work?

he may, but the work itself - the quality - is very bad.

he says he resents that the drug pictures are the only ones people are interested in but that's the only interesting
thing about his work.
Did he actually say that he resented it? I must have missed that. I got the impression he wished that wasn't the only art of his that people were interested in.

Anyway, we all have opinions about what's "good" and what's "bad," quality, and all that.

I only meant genuine in that he wasn't the kind of pretentious I am used to seeing in most artists. I didn't think he was trying to make a bunch of money, or motivated by notoriety in doing the experiment, like a lot of people probably think. Some artists just like to do weird shit.
 

Joseph K

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Here is a review of a new book of Kerouac art. There are definitely parallels with Bukowski's art. (Hint, hint, publishers. If you are looking for an author to write about Buk's art, I'm available...) Look forward to any of your comments here. :)
Sadly there are no illus. in the review. The Kerouac estate are kind of tricky to deal with...
Enjoy!
https://alexanderadamsart.wordpress.com/2018/08/15/jack-kerouac-as-artist/
PS Sorry I have been away. Super busy. Explanation will become obvious later in the year.
 
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