Manuscripts (4 Viewers)

PhillyDave · Jul 4, 2018

Wow. Thanks again mjp

mjp · Jul 8, 2018

mjp said:
Here's one that was too blurry to post. Doesn't look like it was any great loss.

Turns out I have a clear version. Still not missing anything. ;) (Except that it appears to be written only a couple of months before Bukowski died...)

mjp · Jul 8, 2018

Black Swan · Jul 8, 2018

Again, he took his feel good drink away... rejuvenate?

hoochmonkey9 · Jul 9, 2018

When reading the posthumous books, I thought Bukowski had lost his touch. Turns out, John Martin was just taking away.

james · Jul 9, 2018

And a love note from your friend: View attachment 17155

Wow...WOW. WHAT THE FUCK. (In response to the martinizing)

Black Swan · Jul 9, 2018

hoochmonkey9 said:
When reading the posthumous books, I thought Bukowski had lost his touch. Turns out, John Martin was just taking away.

Same here. I also thought that he had lost something.

Short Bus · Jul 9, 2018

The silence of those around Martin make this worse. Enablers suck.

mjp · Jul 15, 2018

mjp · Sep 9, 2018

roni · Sep 11, 2018

mjp said:
https://web.archive.org/web/2020/https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=3351 (in a shocking turn of events, Martin changes only one word, and it is a good change)

You bet!
I wonder what was going on inside Bukowski when he typed that one word, as it makes no sense. The whole poem is about making it the other way. So hell, maybe a lack of attention while drinking?

mjp · Sep 11, 2018

mjp said:
https://web.archive.org/web/2020/https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=361 (new)

This one is not new, it's in Bone Palace Ballet as "A Note On The Masses." There are two manuscripts now though, and you can see that Bukowski changed the title (and a lot of other things) himself.

PhillyDave · Sep 12, 2018

I like the two manuscripts a lot.
I also thought I had something profound to say. I do not.

Carry on.

mjp · Sep 21, 2018

zobraks · Sep 21, 2018

mjp said:
Only 9 lines long, but almost every line - along with the title - was changed

That one takes the cake. Why in hell would JM change "It is now 4 p.m." into "it is now 2 p.m."? Wrong time zone?
On the other hand I doubt it was him: he would've put "we'll bring some tea" instead of "we'll bring some beer."

the only good poet · Sep 22, 2018

hoochmonkey9 said:
When reading the posthumous books, I thought Bukowski had lost his touch. Turns out, John Martin was just taking away.

Black Swan said:
Same here. I also thought that he had lost something.

Me, too.

mjp · Oct 1, 2018

Otto jr · Oct 4, 2018

MJP, This place is like the gift that just keeps on giving.

Thank you thank you thank you.

mjp · Oct 4, 2018

It should keep giving for some time, considering I'm only 10% through the unprocessed manuscripts that I still have. Working through them the way I have been, they won't be "done" for about 4-5 years.

But when I do finish with what I have here, we should have almost 3,000 manuscripts, or 65% of his known poetry. That's kind of mind-boggling., considering there probably aren't any existing manuscripts for 10% of those (earlier) poems.

Otto jr · Oct 5, 2018

I'm guessing you've already lost your day job.

Saying this with humor of course.

mjp · Oct 5, 2018

As a matter of fact, I did, in February. You'd think that would open up a lot of time to work on things like this, but looking for a job seems to take up more time than actually doing a job. Ha.

That being said, if anyone is looking for a Director of Communications...I know a guy.

PhillyDave · Oct 9, 2018

Not that you'd want to but I bet u would kick ass as an I.T. guy for the City of Philadelphia. I know a guy.

mjp · Oct 9, 2018

If life ever takes me to live in Philadelphia I'll contact your guy. Or live in his basement, one of the two.

mjp · Oct 13, 2018

Purple Stickpin · Oct 13, 2018

It's funny that A Member of the Tribe may well be about Norse, just as Dylan's Positively 4th Street may well be about critics. No matter how obvious it is or isn't, the message is what makes it.

That said, I'm going to gingerly open my Penguin Modern Poets #13 to see what Norse has going on (or not).

mjp · Oct 14, 2018

zobraks · Oct 14, 2018

Ugh indeed.

P.S. I loved the comments. :D

cirerita · Oct 15, 2018

mjp said:
https://web.archive.org/web/2020/https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=4583 ("farted" becomes "failed" in Storm for the Living)

That's a typo. My bad! I don't hold anything against farts. See "warm water bubbles" in Storm. Will try to fix this whenever the paperback edition comes out. Thanks for catching this.

PhillyDave · Oct 15, 2018

Endlessly fascinating. Gonna have to spend some time giving these a "close reading" when I'm not at work.

mjp · Oct 27, 2018

mjp · Oct 28, 2018

https://web.archive.org/web/2020/https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=3662
https://web.archive.org/web/2020/https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=3747 (big chunks of this were cut in Bone Palace Ballet)
https://web.archive.org/web/2020/https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=5558 (feel like I've seen this in a book, but maybe not)
https://web.archive.org/web/2020/https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=5559 (2 versions, early version of "transformation and disfiguration at the p.o.")
https://web.archive.org/web/2020/https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=4155 (a "joke" becomes a "miracle," Martin inserts his idiotic parentheses yet again, and a reference to wine disappears like magic - just another day at the office)
https://web.archive.org/web/2020/https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=3795
https://web.archive.org/web/2020/https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=3798 (2 versions, identical)
https://web.archive.org/web/2020/https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=3805 (2 versions - not every poem about Jane was a love poem...)

mjp · Nov 3, 2018

Erik · Nov 12, 2018

mjp said:
https://web.archive.org/web/2020/https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=3818 - 4 different versions - only a few stanzas, but he gave it a lot of attention

Strange. Shouldn't it be "bang closed" and "ran" with past tense in both lines?

mjp · Nov 12, 2018

"bang closed" can be read in present tense. That's how I read it anyway.

If you substitute "shut" for "closed" it makes more sense in present tense, but he kept "bang closed" through all 4 versions, so he must have liked the way it sounded.

mjp · Nov 25, 2018

Black Swan · Nov 25, 2018

Still strong in 92, 93!

roni · Nov 30, 2018

mjp said:
And remember, sometimes a piss is just a piss...

same pattern. same damn pattern all the time.

PhillyDave · Dec 3, 2018

He really fucks the beauty of the spare & simple and turns it into wordy & simplistic/dopey. Ugh.

mjp · Dec 3, 2018

He's the most!

the only good poet · Dec 7, 2018

It has all come out in the wash.

Manuscripts (4 Viewers)

“The essential doesn't change.” Beckett

Abord the Yorikke!

Art should be its own hammer.

Abord the Yorikke!

“The essential doesn't change.” Beckett

One retreat after another without peace.

“The essential doesn't change.” Beckett

“The essential doesn't change.” Beckett

If u don't know the poetry u don't know Bukowski

Abord the Yorikke!

“The essential doesn't change.” Beckett

One retreat after another without peace.

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