Was Bukowski A Genius?


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this ought to be interesting
Ha ha - after a while you get to the point where you can just predict the future, don't you.

Everyone go to their respective corners. The referee will call the fight if there's any monkey business.


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Well, maybe not, I don't know. But just a little Forum (or internet interaction in general) 101 --

If A says, "And...Editing is art!?"

And B responds, "What an amazingly ridiculous question."

A certain natural progression then follows and ends up with everyone feeling screwed and unhappy.

A and B would seem to disagree, but since we aren't all sitting in a room together, they tend to disagree in much different ways than they might with actual people.

If you think saying something to the guy in the next car at the gas station might get you punched in the nose, you usually won't say it. But if there's no possibility of that guy punching me in the nose, why not say whatever you want to?

You already knew all that, but I have a certain quota of words I have to type here in order to remain officially classified as "without life."


It is what it is
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That last post was genius and anyone who disagrees is wrong and more than a little ridiculous.

Now... who was the most (scientifically) beautiful woman of all time and what is the one true religion?


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Look, guys, I was simply in an irritable mood from, oddly enough, dealing with editors all day and I probably shouldn't have snapped at the poster the way I did. Yes, Mark, I know the natural progression you speak of but it damn well slipped my mind. For that I apologize. I'm still not conditioned away from my six-year experience at the Craigs List writing and literature: a knee-jerk reaction that requires a kick in response. But I don't need to do that here. There are moderators, unlike at Craig's List. I have to remember that.

In my current frame of mind, Cynthia Ozick rules the world and the one true faith is the futures market (buy rice now!).


It is what it is
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Halle Berry and Buddhism.
Milla Jovovich and The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
Bea Arthur and Scientology.

I'm glad we agree! :)


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Who the heck is Mark?
Michael, I meant to say. See? I told you had scrambled brains today.

Chronic, I'm reviewing Ozick's new novel about writers and it's brilliant. I don't use that word loosely. But, yeah, the jacket photo of her is a bit hard to take --- man, she makes up for it in verse, though.

it's well known
its been seen countless times before
but its sooo true
and such simple genius
that i just can't resist

bukowski's ability
to voice profound
in simple english
never better
well i guess for me
genius equates with STYLE


Style is the answer to everything.
Fresh way to approach a dull or dangerous day.
To do a dull thing with style is preferable to doing a dangerous thing without style.
To do a dangerous thing with style, is what I call art.
Bullfighting can be an art.
Boxing can be an art.
Loving can be an art.
Opening a can of sardines can be an art.
Not many have style.
Not many can keep style.
I have seen dogs with more style than men.
Although not many dogs have style.
Cats have it with abundance.

When Hemingway put his brains to the wall with a shotgun, that was style.
For sometimes people give you style.
Joan of Arc had style.
John the Baptist.
García Lorca.
I have met men in jail with style.
I have met more men in jail with style than men out of jail.
Style is a difference, a way of doing, a way of being done.
Six herons standing quietly in a pool of water, or you, walking
out of the bathroom without seeing me.

thats classic bukowski
or as the late great jack micheline
(a buk fave) put down

Only Rare Things Create

When love creates
When tenderness creates
It is the greatest of all sounds
When man and woman creates a baby is born
When fear creates anger is born
When loneliness creates despair is born
When business creates hype is born
When newspapers create politicians are born
When art galleries create money is born
Cemeteries don't create
Museums don't create
Hospitals don't create
Prisons don't create
Power don't create
Only love creates
and it is the rarest thing of all
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Yep... definitely a hottie. And she even looks a little like Bea Arthur.
Jumping in too late here to see the image, but the words "hottie" and "bea arthur" should never be used together in the same sentence. Bea Arthur is the anti-hottie.


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i love bea arthur.

and regarding whether or not bukowski was a genius, does it really matter?

do you like reading his shit?

Purple Stickpin

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do you like reading his shit?
I do, but the corn never seems to form coherent sentences.

As for Bea Arthur, Betty White once famously announced at a celebrity roast, that she would'nt fuck __(insert forgotten name here)__ with Bea Arthur's dick. Words to live by, to be sure.


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That's from the Shatner one, if I'm not mistaken. Good stuff. And quite true as well.

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No. I'm implying that Betty White thinks that Bea Arthur has a dick. Whatever Bea wants to do with it is apparently up to Betty White. :D

Disclaimer: As far as I know, Bea Arthur does not have a dick, and no portion of this thread was intended to imply such. Issues? Ask Betty White.

Purple Stickpin

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I have to apologize for degrading a thread about Bukowski's genius or lack thereof into a discussion of Bea Arthur's genitalia. In some warped, perverted way, it seems somehow appropriate. :D I just can't figure out why at the moment. :o

hank solo

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Bukowski's guest appearance on The Golden Girls as Sophia's Toy Boy, 1987...

Betty White? No apparently it was Jeffrey Ross.

Friars Club Roast of Jerry Stiller, October 1999
Following Sandra Bernhard's odd performance of Heart's song "Magic Man" for Mr. Stiller, Mr. Ross got up and said: "I wouldn't fuck Sandra Bernhard with Bea Arthur's dick."

Now, erm... what was the Topic? Oh yeah.

Was Bukowski A Genius? :confused:


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It seems very appropriate. Can you imagine Bukowski writing about Bea Aurthur? "She hiked up her skirt a foot higher and showed me some leg. It didn't help. I couldn't get past that train wreck of a face, and the angry, man-hatting scowl. I poured myself another whiskey, tall. It was going to be a long night..."
" the world is full of shipping clerks
who have read the Harvard Classics. "

Bukowski PERSISTED in writing,,is that genius ?
Then he got lucky, is that genius ?

I rate him as the greatest poet of the 20th century, genius or no.

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