That's a brilliant work, but to me, annoying as a poem.
I have a CD- 'Pickin' On Zeppelin'-which I love. All blue-grass renditions of Zep songs. Tried to link it once to the, 'What Are You Listening To Now' thread. I had no luck finding it. Iam/was a big
Zppelin fan. It is so much a part of my youth that it's hard to let it go, or even talk serious shit. I saw Page live in 88', on his own, and I loved the show. I would not pay to go see a Zep. reunion show. And I hope they hold out and that they DON'T do it. One of the things that always sat sour with me about The Stones was that they never could seem to just give it a rest. I mean, does anyone remember the Jagger/Bowie fiasco of the 80's? I can't even remember the name of that song-I think I've effectivly blocked it out. It was horrible-just like the majority of 80's music.CRB:)
Because it's shitty as a poem? Just a guess.Though I'm curious, just for the sake of curiosity, why is it annoying to you?
The original is amazing I reckon. That cover though? Jesus wept!Dancing in the Streets was the Jagger/Bowie version of a Martha & The Vandellas song-I don't think it was that bad but I'm in the minority.
Because it's shitty as a poem? Just a guess.
Yes, but I'd like to disect as to why it's shitty as a poem.
People have different tastes, and I wouldn't have it any other way. Though I'm curious, just for the sake of curiosity, why is it annoying to you?
Because it's shitty as a poem? Just a guess.
OK (and forgive me for doing this to Bob). Consider Dylan's lyric meter relative to the sort of meter Buk (or other modern poet) might have used (and I've probably gotten this wrong):Yes, but I'd like to disect as to why it's shitty as a poem.
The lyrics to Stairway to Heaven? Please. They are random crap at best.
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Now read Mr. Tambourine Man by Bob and tell me the same thing.
I double dare you.
That's just plain where the hog is washed.
My brain is about to explode! (Er, that happened years ago...)
As I will put it up (MTM) against any poem ever written!!!
From any BUK poem to The Lovesong of J. Alfred Prufrock (and all the BUK fans who will ceremoniously shit on that poem can kiss my grits).
And, I'm getting ready to duck...then pass out viagra to those who don't get it.
:eek:
;)
Ah! Now I hear the message!Sure ... when you play the record FORWARD. Now try playing it the CORRECT way.
(PART A) It's a brilliant lyric, (PART B) but even the simple matter of the repetitive chorus renders it more of a lyric than a poem.
I refuse to further denegrate Dylan lyrics with poetic comparisons. A good many of Dylan's lyrics are far, far, far, far better than poetry. Better than even the fucking concept of poetry. They just ain't that noun.
Fair enough?
P.S., they're punk!
Imagine there's no Heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today
Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace
You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one
Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world
You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one
The world views lighter skinned people as superior to darker skinned people too. Doesn't make it true....the world views "punk" as a time and place of music.
The lyrics to Imagine are a great example!...of a moving lyric that looks like something from a junior high creative writing class when considered as a poem.
...the world views "punk" as a time and place of music.
The lyrics to Imagine are a great example!
...of a moving lyric that looks like something from a junior high creative writing class when considered as a poem.
I have to admit, it reads like total piece of juvenile crap.
Here, just in case anyone does not get the Rolling Stones . You'll find it will clear up most of this poetry lyrics debate. ( While listening to that you can't help but picture the bearded beatniks sitting around in their berets snapping their fingers, cool daddy-O.)
Slimedog is right .
So you need music or a melody to understand the meaning of the words?
Or you just like the music? And the words have no meaning?
What Purple Stickpin said. "What the world believes" does not equal truth.I'm not sure what you mean by your first comment.
You're not getting it. The words and the music are one. They are lyrics, not poetry. You keep wanting to separate them, but it isn't fair to the writer. Because as a poem it's cliched and obvious at best. Greeting card stuff. But as part of the whole of the song, very nice. Positive.So you need music or a melody to understand the meaning of the words?
Or you just like the music? And the words have no meaning?
Now that would have been 100% punk rock!...I know Buk liked all his lardy-dardy classical music but if he was in a rock band he would be in PR&R. I can picture him in the outfit, playing bass.
Well that may be the Rosetta Stone of modern music there. It explains it all.True but punk music is still a style of music that I doubt your dog plays-would we say hey he's really prog rock or my dog is country rock? I don't think so.
But back to the matter at hand. Paul Revere & the Raiders were Buk's favorite sixties band even if he didn't know it. If it wasn't for Bukowski, I'm sure Mark Lindsay (their lead singer) would've become the premier underground poet & you MJP (yes, you) would have a forum dedicated to him and you're dog would not be considered punk rock but reggae. And everyone should imagine a world without Paul Revere & the Raiders and bless their lucky stars that it just ain't true. Bob Dylan isn't punk he's folk and his dog isn't reggae or calypso music. In fact Dylan gave the Beatles pot and they wrote all those goofy lyrics while Paul Revere took downs. Mark Lindsay did not have a dog but a cat who preferred indie rock and ragtime.
Punk is an attitude and a way of life. In the end it's not the concerts, record collection, merch and dies, spikes, hairstyle... but what you think and do. Simple as that. A lot of musicians emerged from Punk but play a different sound today. Rammstein for example, they don't sound punk, but does it make them less punk? No.True but punk music is still a style of music that I doubt your dog plays-would we say hey he's really prog rock or my dog is country rock? I don't think so.
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you;
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it...
True but punk music is still a style of music that I doubt your dog plays-would we say hey he's really prog rock or my dog is country rock? I don't think so.
Mark Lindsay (their lead singer)
Fair enough, but methinks good old Rudyard was not referring to the masses, and you're the one clinging to the status quo, re: punk. This surprises me; you paint and write as a free spirit, but then cling to the establishment when it comes to the compartmentalized categories concocted by the music industry; one of the most foul of the foulest. Thy mind is far more open than that, I wouldst think.
Peace and rock on, of course!