Would You Suggest Writing as a Career? (2 Viewers)

[mjp]

I think postino is just trying to get us to read his blog.

I did try to read his blog. It makes me want to mop the floor with him, because at my worst I'm a lot better than postino. He pounds literature into intellectual pizza, and it loses all of its flavor because it's been filtered for calories. That leaves me a little hungry, that this guy could have just taken away the cheese and called it pizza.

 

[Father Luke]

(...)my values conflict with his strengths as a writer.

i don't know what the technical term is, but us pomos just call this being jealous

 

[bospress.net]

Father Luke,
Don't be so "Witty & Unorigianally Macho"!

Bill

 

[postino]

contrary to certain strains of thought, I was never trying to get someone to read my blog, I didn't even think of it, I was just displaying my writers angst about Bukowski. I have a lot of angst and I'm not a very good writer. I'm a better painter. But still, I think the best stuff I have written was better than anything Bukowski wrote, except for born into this.

 

[bospress.net]

But still, I think the best stuff I have written was better than anything Bukowski wrote, except for born into this.

"Born Into This" the movie is his best writing? Or are you referring to his poem "Dinosauria, we"?

Also, there are many,many writers that think that they are better than Bukowski or Hemingway, etc. 99.9% of the time, they are not.

Again, I don't understand why you would waste your time on a forum for a writer that you think is crap, unless the goal is to just cause trouble.

Also, have you read any Bukowski, or just watched the movie and based his 50 years of writing on a movie?

Bill

 

[Purple Stickpin]

...and I'm not a very good writer...But still, I think the best stuff I have written was better than anything Bukowski wrote, except for born into this.

So, you're not very good, but you're better than Buk. Got it.

Perhaps you should use this next time you post here:

 

[hank solo]

Is that what they call a digging implement?

 

[bernard stachman]

best buk quote:

'and i am still not very good. but they are still very bad'

 

[postino]

Again, I don't understand why you would waste your time on a forum for a writer that you think is crap, unless the goal is to just cause trouble.

I love Bukowski's writing, but I love it cause it's so different from anything else. I called it baby food because it's so easy to read. I've read all of his novels, a couple of his short story books, and thumbed through three poetry books. I don't take it seriously, it's too well written to take seriously.

 

[hoochmonkey9]

I don't take it seriously, it's too well written to take seriously.

well, end of argument.

move along people, nothing to see here.

uhhhhhhh....

 

[mjp]

I think the best stuff I have written was better than anything Bukowski wrote...

This is funny for the same reason are funny.

 

[postino]

I did try to read his blog. It makes me want to mop the floor with him, because at my worst I'm a lot better than postino. He pounds literature into intellectual pizza, and it loses all of its flavor because it's been filtered for calories. That leaves me a little hungry, that this guy could have just taken away the cheese and called it pizza.

I am very grateful for my first literary critique mjp. And I am grateful for all the responses to my posts, you are talented people.

 

[Black Swan]

I love Bukowski's writing, but I love it cause it's so different from anything else. I called it baby food because it's so easy to read. I've read all of his novels, a couple of his short story books, and thumbed through three poetry books. I don't take it seriously, it's too well written to take seriously.

Why don't you really show us your stuff?
Just a few lines
We'd all love to read your very best.

 

[postino]

Here's a sex scene that I wrote for my novella "Karma Junkies" It's posted as the first thing on my blog. I think it's a pretty fly sex scene.

[snipped suckage]

Karma Junkies

 

[mjp]

Yeah, that's real fly, baby.

Go ahead and link to your blog post and show everyone how supremely talented you are. I removed it from your post because I don't want that stink-ass high school creative writing class garbage on here.

There's your second literary critique. Don't choke on it, puppy.



I've come to the conclusion that you're having a laugh, which is fine, but find some other chumps to try your moves on. Maybe there's a Hemingway forum out there you can turn on its ear with your awesomeness. You sexy pomo cocksucker, you.

 

[postino]

can't jive with the dope stuff, eh babe? I just reread my novella and I still think it's as good if not better than anything Bukowski wrote. I'll tell you what, Norman Mailer and Truman Capote are the only writers I consider my soups. Creative journalism is where it's at. Karma junkies was partially inspired by Factotum, my counselor suggested I read it when he heard I was writing the story of a transient labourer. After reading it I felt like my writing was more effective than Bukowski's, who never bummed around Manhattan. I don't want to plug my blog but since you all made an issue out of it...Karma Junkies

Why don't you really show us your stuff?
Just a few lines
We'd all love to read your very best.

Don't worry, I'll put a good poem on here. I wrote this in my Brown university leatherback notebook while I was in Mclean.

The looking glass is hiring-

[so go get a job and leave us alone]

 

[Father Luke]

I wrote this in my Brown university leatherback notebook while I was in Mclean.

i wrote this wiping my hands on my shirt:

still

i was outside pissing
and looking at the moon

I don't have anything to say.
Maybe I'll just look through
my old stuff and rework something.

In the time it would've taken
to cut and paste

i
wrote
this
instead

but i still think you're jealous


- -
Okay,
Father Luke

 

[postino]

You do no doubt
have talent,
but can you
howl at moons
of your fathers and
your fathers fathers?

do you have the talent to reach
into the patriarch and
putt with boticelli
in your mitt?

 

[Black Swan]

Here's a sex scene that I wrote for my novella "Karma Junkies" It's posted as the first thing on my blog. I think it's a pretty fly sex scene.

[snipped suckage]

Karma Junkies

Okay. . .
my humble opinion
this text shows me that you can write and spell sex
a xxx video would reach the same type of people.
Having said that, I do not read Bukowski to get turned on, I read him because he is human and witty and that I can relate to his experiences.
He is a hero even when trying to tie his sholaces .
Your hero Alex sounds like a porn star. Your text wants to impress and shine forcibly. The exploits of a sensasional porn star fucker. . .
Sorry,your Alex turned me off with his bionic engine

to me, Hank remains the one with balls , soul and a heart. . .
he leaves something precious with his reader that lasts.

 

[postino]

one and a half sex scenes in the entire novel, and you think my character is a porn star? Did you read the surrounding circumstances? He found a diamond in a potato at a deli, and he smoked crack and took shrooms, then he had sex once and got a blowjob. It all makes sense in the context. That story is all about context, and that's what ties it all together. I don't think you even read the whole thing.:mad:

Your text wants to impress and shine forcibly. The exploits of a sensasional porn star fucker. . .

I think that the sensationalism of the story is modern and original. Bukowski uses sensationalism very often, it's just understated. For example, when Alex broke the door on the communist headquarters, and then outran two cops, that was a symbol of destruction of power hierarchies. It's also a reference to an old communist conspiracy involving public servants in New York. When he fucks the hooker, it's the catalyst for his fall from grace, and eventual death in the mines. It's all about karma, and loving whatever awful things it brings. What did you think of the end? there's a couple of errors on that draft I noticed, but I feel it's a happy ending.

 

[hank solo]

Does reading Bukowski make you want to write?

I vote to move this discussion of postino's blog to the Would You Suggest Writing as a Career? thread.

If not further :D

Anyway, his answer to this question is already there...

Reading Bukowski encouraged me to consider writing.

 

[Black Swan]

I don't think you even read the whole thing. . .

Well,
" Once you've looked at a thing,you ought to remember it forever . . . Don't force your intelligence . . . it's reason that gums up everything . . . Give your instinct a chance . . . Once it gets a good look, the game is won . . .
It'll never deceive you . . . " Celine

 

[postino]

Well, I guess what my instinct is saying is that my novella is too rough for anyone to read. my instinct's telling me to stuff it in the wastebasket. But there's a little part of my brain that's saying, let it be, let it be.

 

[mjp]

I vote to move this discussion of postino's blog to the Would You Suggest Writing as a Career? thread.

Good idea.

Well, I guess what my instinct is saying is that my novella is too rough for anyone to read.

Oh come on! What would any of us know about literature or writing, anyway? You should carry on. Keep writing every day, and send your work out to a select group of important publishers, so they can get to work establishing your rightful place in literary history.

 

[Father Luke]

suckage snipped

I think this will work. Might be a bitch on slower connections,
don't know really.

C L I C K

 

[dogdice]

non-fiction is the only writing that really matters. all of this self-styled "poetry" and "literature" is for the birds.

I am currently being paid (yes, paid !) to write a "Short History of the Microwave Oven" and if you want my opinion it's better than anything Bukowski ever wrote. It is brutally honest, factually correct and rarely resorts to flowery language, purple prose, self-pity or angst.

 

[bospress.net]

ha! brilliant!

Bill

 

[postino]

Oh come on! What would any of us know about literature or writing, anyway? You should carry on. Keep writing every day, and send your work out to a select group of important publishers, so they can get to work establishing your rightful place in literary history.

Can I send stuff out that I've already published online? Where should I start looking for places to send it?

 

[mjp]

Well, the more I think about it, the more I think you should send it directly to the Library of Congress or the British National Museum. There is no current publication deserving of your work. Go straight to the national archives, and hit as many as you can. We need your work to survive long after individual countries pass into dust.

 

[dogdice]

and remember to write everything in green ink.

 

[jordan]

the description of karma junkies honestly sounds utterly horrible. it makes me not want to read it so bad that i've never wanted not to read anything more than karma junkies.

 

[mjp]

Can he use that quote on the dust jacket?

 

[postino]

the description of karma junkies honestly sounds utterly horrible. it makes me not want to read it so bad that i've never wanted not to read anything more than karma junkies.

That's a huge compliment coming from a Bukowski fan.

Can he use that quote on the dust jacket?

Sheer brilliance.

 

[Gerard K H Love]

I guess you are trying to piss everyone off. What is the Karma in this?

 

[mjp]

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=troll

 

[bospress.net]

If he is identified as a troll, then it is only a matter of time before Karma takes hold and a hiatus is warranted...

Bill

 

[Doug Downie]

For Buk

Well shit fuck and damn...odd that posting a poem or two would be taboo on a site like this but my post yesterday was apparently deleted by the moderator. Sure, a lot of crap would pour out if everyone posted their poetry but it seems natural to allow some. Yeah, I write poetry and yeah I'm influenced by Bukowski but the poetry is all me, 100%. I have my own tales to tell. A few have been published here in South Africa, one will be out in The Artisan Journal soon. I've self-published a book of short stories and a novella, all written back in the 1980's, you can find out more at http://dougdownie.book.co.za. And how come people have to have cute little monikers here, its not a porn site. Anyway, I'll try this again, a little tribute to Buk.

Buk Was a Monster

Buk was a monster
pounding out poems by the pound
every night
sitting at his typer with
the grape.
Not a bad life
and an admirable thing.

Not me.
I'm happy if I can eek out
a thing that somehow
in some fashion
has this ever so slight resemblance
to a poem.
A thing that says something to
shake or slap a reader
into thinking,
or feeling,
something
and do it in a graceful way
with very few words.

Buk had multiple orgasms
every night.
Not me.
I'm lucky if I can have
one a day.


One More Night

Butt naked in my lounge
I write poetry
read
watch
drink
smoke
jackoff
play
shit
brush
then finally
sleep.

In the morning I'm ready
to start all over again.

 

[mjp]

Sure, a lot of crap would pour out if everyone posted their poetry but it seems natural to allow some.

Okay. So tell me, which do we allow and which do we remove?

And how come people have to have cute little monikers here, its not a porn site.

Were you forced to have a "cute little moniker"?

You're off to a good start. Keep digging.

 

[Ninjerk]

I got a 404 when I tried to access Karma Junkies.

 

[chronic]

I'm rather fond of my cute little moniker. It does tricks, you know. And I can send it around with a cup to collect coins for me while I grind my organ.