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Hello--and thank you for responding...
But it's ok: I don't plan on answering any questions correctly, and I already know the answer to my own question, of course. Nevertheless, it has been asked, and anyone is free to explore it at their own desire. I believe it was a nice connection. Enjoy if you like.
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Hi,
I 'spose it is your turn again abel....
Bill
I 'spose it is your turn again abel....
Bill
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fuck... no idea but I want one! Did LouJon ever release this? That would make it the earliest Buk recording, no? I know that At Terror Street was recorded in 1969 by John Thomas...
Bill
Bill
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"The law is wrong; I am right"
Yes, the poems in the book At Terror Street... was recorded by Thomas. Buk had lost the written poems so Thomas had to play the recording and write them down in order for Buk to get them published (if I remember correctly).
But the 2 cd album, At Terror Street... was recorded by Buk himself! Barry Miles was supposed to do the recording but Buk told him to leave the tape recorder with him so he could do it alone...
I'll take a stab at the LA Free Press, although that's a pretty big ad, so I'd be more inclined to say something like The Village Voice.
BTW, those prices are just killing me!
mjp
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No they didn't. That broadside is as far as the project ever got. Though Jon took preorders for the record, then tried to convince people who'd paid to take some other LouJon stuff.
I know the answer to where the ad was published, but only because I just read the book about the Webbs, Bohemian New Orleans: The Story of the Outsider and Loujon Press, so I won't answer, I'd feel like I was cheating. ;)
That book, by the way, is a real eye opener. Jon and Louise Webb were insane. In the ways that you may already think, and in so many others. Ha. A good read.
It was clear, it's from the mid 60s since 'Crucifix' was out already but they still hope for 'Outsider #4', which we know now, never appeared. (and they even name 1964 to be past and 1966 to be at least not over.)
From the measurements looking square, I had thought it was on or inside an LP-cover, but you said it's a big paper. I ain't sure if you'd consider 'WR' big. I wouldn't, for it was important but not really "big", right? But then I must admit: I know of No really big paper back then to print Buk "several times".
I'd say, mjp, tell us the story. It isn't cheating: Every thing one of us knows, is only b/c we've read it somewhere or been told. What else would be our sources? (except first-hand experience, but that covers less than 2% of all trivia-questions here, right?)
From the measurements looking square, I had thought it was on or inside an LP-cover, but you said it's a big paper. I ain't sure if you'd consider 'WR' big. I wouldn't, for it was important but not really "big", right? But then I must admit: I know of No really big paper back then to print Buk "several times".
I'd say, mjp, tell us the story. It isn't cheating: Every thing one of us knows, is only b/c we've read it somewhere or been told. What else would be our sources? (except first-hand experience, but that covers less than 2% of all trivia-questions here, right?)
mjp
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You really have to read the book to get the feel for what happened. It certainly wasn't a one time thing. The Webbs did this kind of "robbing Peter to pay Paul" money shifting all the time. They were constantly broke and constantly praying for an angel to come and save them. And plenty of people believed in them and did try to save them. They received a lot of free printing material and even an automated Heidelberg press! Which they battered and abused by constantly moving from city to city, and eventually sold (!) to finance something else.
I respect their work, but reading about how they did things, and how flaky and irresponsible they were, really made me wonder how they ever managed to publish anything. I think they were a little crazy, those two, and I can see why people who worked with them (Bukowski, Miller, etc.) eventually lost patience with their bullshit.
One of Bukowski's letters to Scott Harrison says that near the end of their relationship Bukowski had pretty much given up on the Webbs because he considered a lot of their problems to be self-inflicted. I'm paraphrasing, because I don't have it in front of me, but that's the gist of it.
I respect their work, but reading about how they did things, and how flaky and irresponsible they were, really made me wonder how they ever managed to publish anything. I think they were a little crazy, those two, and I can see why people who worked with them (Bukowski, Miller, etc.) eventually lost patience with their bullshit.
One of Bukowski's letters to Scott Harrison says that near the end of their relationship Bukowski had pretty much given up on the Webbs because he considered a lot of their problems to be self-inflicted. I'm paraphrasing, because I don't have it in front of me, but that's the gist of it.
cirerita
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I haven't read the book by Weddle yet, but when I first that long letter -I think it's in Reach for the Sun- where the Webbs complained -almost humiliatingly so- about being broken and working in hard conditions, and then read Bukowski's reaction, saying that all their misadventures were self-inflicted, as mjp said, I kind of believed Bukowski... and I guess Weddle's book will reinforce that notion...
And that's why I don't like to answer these questions! Doh!
Okay, an easy one.
In the 1980's Bukowski became friends with a young actor who was married to perhaps the biggest female music star of the 80's.
The question though is which of his books did he dedicate to his friend the actor?
Okay, an easy one.
In the 1980's Bukowski became friends with a young actor who was married to perhaps the biggest female music star of the 80's.
The question though is which of his books did he dedicate to his friend the actor?
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dolittle2x
In the Shadow of the Rose
(Sean Penn)
?
(Sean Penn)
?
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dolittle2x
How about a question I don't know the answer to?
(much easier for me :>)
Why was Barfly first published in Italian?
(much easier for me :>)
Why was Barfly first published in Italian?
chronic
old and in the way
It was... about 14 or 15 months before the Paget edition. As far as why it was, I have no idea. Maybe some contractual obligation or something to do with Barbet Schroeder commissioning the book.
It's worth noting that Black Sparrow never issued this title, so I suppose it could have been up for grabs to his other publishers.
It's worth noting that Black Sparrow never issued this title, so I suppose it could have been up for grabs to his other publishers.
anyway - I don't find it valid to ask a question here without knowing the answer yourself.
How would you decide it's answered properly? This is a (Trivia-)game, right?
To ask a quest you dunno about, you'd open a thread.
sorry - don't intend to offend. Just thinking...
How would you decide it's answered properly? This is a (Trivia-)game, right?
To ask a quest you dunno about, you'd open a thread.
sorry - don't intend to offend. Just thinking...
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dolittle2x
But that's not true...
They did per usual->
Soft covered, Hard cover, a numbered and signed by Buk,
plus a #ed and signed by Buk, Schroeder, Faye Dunaway and Mickey Rourke,
Then a lettered edition.
I guess not so per usual, but Black Sparrow's was published September 1987.
Paget Press December 1984,
and the Italian version came out September 1983.
Doesn't anybody else find this really odd?,
There has to be some great answer
(Or am I just this goofed up on details) :D
chronic
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BSP put out The Movie: Barfly but not Barfly. They are different books. True that the framework of the story stays the same and that they are both scripts, but still, different books.
mjp
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They are indeed different, and I think the Paget edition is much better than the Black Sparrow edition.
BS didn't include the drawings, and the Paget text also seems to be an earlier - more complete? - version. The character descriptions, for example, seem to be shortened and "cleaned up" in the Black Sparrow edition.
My books are all in boxes at the moment, but as I recall, some of the seedier aspects of the character descriptions were cut from the BS version. But they are definitely different versions.
BS didn't include the drawings, and the Paget text also seems to be an earlier - more complete? - version. The character descriptions, for example, seem to be shortened and "cleaned up" in the Black Sparrow edition.
My books are all in boxes at the moment, but as I recall, some of the seedier aspects of the character descriptions were cut from the BS version. But they are definitely different versions.
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dolittle2x
Ok, maybe Roni is right...
No posing a question without knowing the answer...
Or do you know Abel?
Either way, I cede the questionaire seat to whoever jumps on it 1st
No posing a question without knowing the answer...
Or do you know Abel?
Either way, I cede the questionaire seat to whoever jumps on it 1st
mjp
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Oops, I was confusing Paget with Capra, the publishers of Fire Station.
From: http://www.richardkostelanetz.com/examples/martin.php
"One reason why he [John Martin] moved from Los Angeles to Santa Barbara was that his printer was there, Macintosh and Young; and this printer remains a keystone in Santa Barbara publishing. Upstairs from it, in the same building on Santa Barbara's State Street, are the offices of Noel Young's Capra Press, which specializes in literary and lifestyle books; Ross Erikson, which does literature and Eastern mysticism; and Mudborn Press, which does poetry, fiction and autobiography."
So I'm still waiting for cirerita's paraphrasing.
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dolittle2x
Ok, I'll re-warm the chair with a question with an answer I know->:o
According to one poem,
What brand of cigarettes did Buk's father light up?,
Sometimes
"...with a wooden
kitchen match,
then place the match,
still burning,
onto an
ashtray."
Bonus points ;) if you can
Name That Poem
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Camel Cigarettes.
From "Dinner, 1933". From Last Night of Earth Poems (& Run with the hunted).
From "Dinner, 1933". From Last Night of Earth Poems (& Run with the hunted).
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dolittle2x
The torch has been passed......
Bill
(and WOW, that was fast!)
Bill
(and WOW, that was fast!)
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OK. This will be an easy one....
What kind of press (manufacturer, etc) was used to print "It Catches My Heart In Its Hands".
Hint: Loujon Press printed it...
Bill
What kind of press (manufacturer, etc) was used to print "It Catches My Heart In Its Hands".
Hint: Loujon Press printed it...
Bill
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