The Poker Thread


"The law is wrong; I am right"
I see. And you'll be in it, I trust. Best of luck!
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"So fuck Doubleday Doran"
Will become extremely difficult to get in the money
since 50.000 people (including tons of famous pro's) have signed up.
But it's fun to be part of "the record breaker..."

Question for buknet pc-experts like mjp, hank solo and
probably some more members:

Seating will last 15 minutes.
Is it difficult to organize such a big online tourney?


Founding member
50,000 sign-ups in 15 minutes? 50+ database inserts per second is heavy traffic, but not overwhelming. Not for a big network like an online gambling site would have. They run on large load balanced (multi-server) systems. They're made for that kind of action.

Organizing something like that is very easy, since all the participants will be doing the same thing the site does all day long anyway. It's just a matter of scale, and organizing these particular games within a unique pool or group.

I imagine the biggest problem they will have is finding more room for all of the extra money that comes in that day. ;)

On the subject of online gambling though, as someone who has their fingers in the online pie for 15 years, I would never gamble with real world money online. It's way too easy to manipulate the games. From the inside or the outside.


"So fuck Doubleday Doran"
I didn't make it in the money, at least not in this big tournement ;)

Thanks for all the interesting info, mjp.

I haven't noticed manipulation of any kind of sort on full tilt.
Sure, players always complain about bad beats and so on.
You see crazy hands, flops, you name it, but I see exactly
the same things happen in real life poker tournements.
Hard to imagine that some dealers in the WSOP main event
(biggest poker tourney in Las Vegas each year) are corrupt.
ESPN would love to record such a scandal!

Would you be able to manipulate online poker games (from the outside?)


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Would you be able to manipulate online poker games (from the outside?)
Yes. Didn't you see the articles about the guy who had a hack that allowed him to see the other player's hole cards on a major poker site?

I don't think any programmer would ever trust online gambling. There's just too much potential there for easy, undetectable fraud. It doesn't have to be major fraud, you could pick a small amount off every player by manipulating cards dealt and it would add to up to a lot of dough.

Many of those places have been caught running fixed games, but their corporations are run on Caribbean islands with no governmental oversight, so you have no one to complain to even if you have evidence of a fix.

I'm not saying they are all crooked, but I wouldn't play "video" poker in a real casino (or any mechanical game) for the same reason. Too easy to put the fix in.


"So fuck Doubleday Doran"
This happened today...

Full Tilt Poker Game Table (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - $7.50 Cap No Limit Hold'em 2009/08/05

Seat 1: guliaiem ($48.84)
Seat 2: Clinse ($10.91)
Seat 3: LEDUC13 ($11.54)
Seat 4: Flouss94 ($16.32)
Seat 5: morphius77 ($10.09)
Seat 6: Ponder ($22.86)
LEDUC13 posts the small blind of $0.10
Flouss94 posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ponder[Kc Qc]
morphius77 folds
Ponder calls $0.25
guliaiem folds
Clinse folds
LEDUC13 folds
LEDUC13 stands up
Flouss94 raises to $1
Ponder calls $0.75
*** FLOP *** [Jh Ac Tc]
Flouss94 checks
Ponder checks
*** TURN *** [Jh Ac Tc] [Jc]
Flouss94 bets $1
Ponder calls $1
*** RIVER *** [Jh Ac Tc Jc] [5d]
Flouss94 checks
Ponder has 15 seconds left to act
Ponder bets $2.25
Flouss94 calls $2.25
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Ponder shows [Kc Qc] a Royal Flush
Flouss94 mucks
Ponder wins the pot ($8.17) with a Royal Flush
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $8.60 | Rake $0.43
Board: [Jh Ac Tc Jc 5d]
Seat 1: guliaiem didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: Clinse (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: LEDUC13 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: Flouss94 (big blind) mucked [Qd Qs] - two pair, Queens and Jacks
Seat 5: morphius77 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: Ponder showed [Kc Qc] and won ($8.17) with a Royal Flush

hank solo

Just practicin' steps and keepin' outta the fights
Founding member
Wow. There's something you don't see everyday. Congratulations!

Let's see that again... :)


"So fuck Doubleday Doran"
First royal flush ever.

It was kinda funny...the flop...ok, I thought, I have the nuts with a straight.
And if a club on the turn I have the flush nuts.
Jack of clubs came, and only then I realized I had a royal flush.
From then on it is a matter of not betting like crazy or you don't get paid off.

I just looked this up:

There are 2.598.960 different poker hands in a deck of 52 cards and 4 ways to make a royal flush, so the chance to get a royal flush with 5 cards is 1 out of 649.740.

hank solo

Just practicin' steps and keepin' outta the fights
Founding member
Shame there wasn't a K, a J or better still the case Q on the river - you would have been handsomely rewarded for your patience :o


"The law is wrong; I am right"
That's fantastic, Ponder! What an amazing piece of luck. Congrats! If you can keep it up we'll soon see you on TV from Las Vegas...;)
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"So fuck Doubleday Doran"
Shame there wasn't a K, a J or better still the case Q on the river - you would have been handsomely rewarded for your patience :o

Right, a K, J, A or Q on the river and I probably would have bet something like $3,50.
I put him on a hand like J J or A K because he raised $1 from the big blind.
(It's a $7,50 CAP all in system, so if 2 players- $15 max.)

As you know you often really get paid off well if you hold let's say 4-4
and hit another 4 on the flop.


"So fuck Doubleday Doran"
Very interesting hand.

Full Tilt Poker Game (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - $7.50 Cap No Limit Hold'em - 6:25:32 ET - 2010/01/07

Seat 1: Ponder ($25.86)
Seat 2: MarciiMarc ($25)
Seat 3: MasterPain1 ($15.91)
Seat 4: holland1982 ($25.12)
Seat 5: CroNnIe420 ($17.93)
Seat 6: janome ($45.05)
janome posts the small blind of $0.10
Ponder posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ponder [7d 7h]
MarciiMarc raises to $0.85
MasterPain1 calls $0.85
holland1982 folds
CroNnIe420 folds
janome folds
Ponder calls $0.60
*** FLOP *** [6c Jh 5s]
Ponder has 15 seconds left to act
Ponder bets $2
MarciiMarc folds
MarciiMarc adds $0.85
MasterPain1 calls $2
*** TURN *** [6c Jh 5s] [7c]
Ponder bets $2.75
MasterPain1 raises to $4.65, and is capped
Ponder calls $1.90, and is capped
MasterPain1 shows [8s 9s]
Ponder shows [7d 7h]
*** RIVER *** [6c Jh 5s 7c] [7s]
MasterPain1 shows a straight, Nine high
Ponder shows four of a kind, Sevens
Ponder wins the pot ($15.16) with four of a kind, Sevens
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $15.95 | Rake $0.79
Board: [6c Jh 5s 7c 7s]
Seat 1: Ponder (big blind) showed [7d 7h] and won ($15.16) with four of a kind, Sevens
Seat 2: MarciiMarc folded on the Flop
Seat 3: MasterPain1 showed [8s 9s] and lost with a straight, Nine high
Seat 4: holland1982 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: CroNnIe420 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: janome (small blind) folded before the Flop

hank solo

Just practicin' steps and keepin' outta the fights
Founding member
MasterPain1 hates your guts Ponder :D

NH, as they say (through their gritted teeth).


"So fuck Doubleday Doran"
Like I said, it is an interesting hand.
Playing poker versus gambling.
I played him before...
That's the reason I decided to a $2 raise.

The only thing he got on the flop was a gutshot,
also known as an inside straight draw.
If you call a $2 raise on a gutshot you're gambling.
The only good move is fold.
The 7 on the turn was very "unlucky." Then you just push with your set.
I put him on AQ, KQ or a small pair.
In the long run gambling doesn't work.

p.s. after the turn the odds are still not too bad...
77%-23% I still have about 10 outs; I need a 5, 6, Jack or a 7 to make my full house.
this was a fun email to get.....

PokerStars Tournament #134682174, No Limit Hold'em
Buy-In: $25.00/$2.50
1917 players
Total Prize Pool: $47925.00
Tournament started 2009/01/23 20:00:00 ET

Dear buffalohead,

You finished the tournament in 4th place.
A $2,875.51 award has been credited to your Real Money account

i do ok in AC it just the people really get to me after a bit unless im really drinking which is bad for my card game so its a conundrum
i thought id try to do it for profit and it made my skin crawl to look around the table and see the other pros and wanna be pros and how they related to one another and to their prey....
i dont know how you can look at yourself in the mirror if you are one of these predators
milking their profits off of some poor drunken fucks addictive personality?
it seems fun at first, but then you just want to start strangling these accountants and pretend mobsters and clans of cheaters that play together and strangling would lead to jail and im way too pretty for jail

hank solo

Just practicin' steps and keepin' outta the fights
Founding member
Nice scoop. I came second in a live tourny last night - only 25 runners. Heads up for about 12 hands only. My AQs versus their A6o, all in PF. Miracle river gave them a straight. That's Poker as they say.

hank solo

Just practicin' steps and keepin' outta the fights
Founding member
To all my friends!!! (sorry)

1st tonight from a short handed single table live game (just 8 runners). Mixed tourney + head hunter. 1st spot and 2 heads. Happy days. Just aiming for consistency.

That's Poker Folks.


I'm a cowboy, on a steel horse I ride


"So fuck Doubleday Doran"
WSOP: LIVE on ESPN this very moment
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They're Heads Up! Frazier versus Ali.

Main Event
The $10,000 No Limit Hold'em Championship began on July 7 with the first of four starting days, (8 days in total.) After reaching the final table of nine players on July 19, the remainder of the tournament was delayed until November 6.
The Main Event drew 6,865 players, creating a prize pool of $64,531,000. The top 693 finishers placed in the money, with first place paying $8,715,638.


"So fuck Doubleday Doran"
Pius Heinz Becomes First German WSOP Main Event Champ

The 2011 WSOP Main Event is over and 22-year-old Pius Heinz has
become the first German world champion in poker history.

Defeating Martin Staszko to win $8.7 million and the most coveted title in poker, Heinz was cheered on to victory by friends and family at the Rio Hotel and Casino in Las Vegas Tuesday.
"I'm definitely proud of being the first German to win but it's just an amazing feeling and the support from back home has been just great," Heinz told the media after posing for photos with his prize money.
"It was just unreal to have so many of your friends and family following you and cheering you on, it's just an awesome feeling," he said.
After more than five hours of heads-up play Heinz scored a huge double up to take the chip lead and managed to put the final nail in Martin Staszko's coffin shortly after.
Staszko open-shoved with T♣ 7♣ and Heinz called instantly with A♠ K♣. Staszko picked up a gutshot on the turn to go with his pair outs but after the river was dealt, Heinz's ace-king high was enough to make his victory official.
Martin Staszko received $5,433,086 for his runner-up finish.
After the final river card was dealt Heinz ran to his rail and embraced the friends and family that had been rooting him on over the last three days.
"I was just fist-pumping and running to my rail and I disappeared in a big crowd of arms," Heinz said.
"I almost couldn't catch my breath because it was just an awesome feeling," he said.
Heinz is the fourth consecutive young poker pro to win the WSOP Main Event, and the second consecutive non-American champion.

Pius Heinz flies the German flag while posing for winner photos.

Heinz entered this final table seventh in chips but by the time the first phase of the finale was complete and just three players remained, he had taken over the chip lead and controlled more than half the chips in play.
And after doubling through and subsequently eliminating Ben Lamb, Martin Staszko had the chips to go toe-to-toe with the German in the heads-up portion of the evening.
"The heads-up for the most part didn't go my way because I basically wasn't making hands and Martin played very well," said Heinz.
"But I just thought, you know, I'll just play my game and hope the cards fall my way eventually," he said.
"He knows that the biggest part of my game is preflop aggression and by limping a lot he kind of took that away from me.
"I wasn't able to punish his limps as much because when he limps your big blind and you've 5-3 off-suit every time there's not much you can do about it.
"So I was forced to try to outplay him post-flop but he played very well post-flop also," he added.
Heinz, Staszko and Ben Lamb all returned to the Penn and Teller Theater this evening to play down to a winner. Fresh from a day off since the final table played from nine players to three on Sunday, the trio couldn't have predicted the hand that got things started.
Lamb, the 2011 WSOP Player of the Year, four-bet shoved K-J and got called by Martin Staszko with pocket sevens. The pair held up and Lamb was crippled. Staszko went on to knock out Lamb on just the fourth hand of the evening.
Click here to read Ben Lamb's exit interview story.
Ben Lamb received $4,021,138 for his third place finish.

Pius Heinz and Martin Staszko battled heads-up for over five hours.

Today's three-handed playdown lasted a total of 123 hands, and since Lamb was eliminated on just the fourth, heads-up was the name of the game.
And while Pius Heinz drew power from his very vocal rail of supporters, he was also given hole card information that proved useful in the heads-up match.
"It was good to know that Martin just had a hand every time he made a big bet or a big raise because when you think you're getting bluffed or outplayed it messes with your confidence," said Heinz.
"So when the rail tells you that Martin just had a hand every time then you're thinking that you never did anything wrong and you're lucky to still be in because I never called or bluffed him when he had a big hand," he said.
Heinz exercised remarkable patience and discipline on his way to victory. And being the first German champion might provide unique opportunities to grow the game in a developing market.
"I'm proud of winning and I'll try to do what I can to grow the game because poker's such a great game, but I'll be trying to do my part," said Heinz.
"I'll be getting a lot of attention."
Here are the full payouts for the final table.
  • 1 - Pius Heinz - $8,715,638
  • 2 - Martin Staszko - $5,433,086
  • 3 - Ben Lamb - $4,021,138
  • 4 - Matt Giannetti - $3,012,700
  • 5 - Phil Collins - $2,269,599
  • 6 - Eoghan O'Dea - $1,720,831
  • 7 - Bob Bounahra - $1,314,097
  • 8 - Anton Makiievskyi - $1,010,015
  • 9 - Sam Holden - $782,115
For a full accounting of the final table action click through to our 2011 WSOP Main Event live
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"So fuck Doubleday Doran"
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